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Reply #15 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:41am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:53am:

bambu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

Fears For Lost Generation Of Jobless Youth.

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Blame the Labor govt...now Rudd-Labor...they were/are the 'employment' and 'industrial relations/unions' party.
Just ask them, they'''l tell you.

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Aah, the blame game rightards love to play.

So what would Tony do about it? This problem is far more serious than asylum seekers and facile slogans like "stop the boats" won't cut it.

No, they have other facile slogans like 'dole bludger' and 'never worked, never will' for this situation.

But again, facile slogans are all they have.

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Reply #16 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:51am

cods wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:48am:

since when has 15 b een the working age?? I thought that went out 40 years ago..

didnt the gillard govt pay parents to keep their 16/17 years olds in school longer????

I dont get it... 15 seems like child labour to me.

In WA, kids have to stay in school or training or approved work (or in a combination of approved options) until the end of the year in which they turn 17.

I agree: a 15 year old in full-time employment seems like child labour.

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Reply #17 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:57am

cods wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

... can a youth of 15 go on unemployment?????????????????????..

To be eligible for Newstart Allowance one has to be at least 22 years old.

There is a Youth Allowance for 16 year olds, but there are some study requirements attached to that payment (I believe?).

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Fears For Lost Generation Of Jobless Youth. Reply #18 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:01am I started working at 16. Back then, most of us did. But that was back when the jobs *were* everywhere (1973/74).
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Reply #19 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:47pm

Kat wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:01am:

I started working at 16.

Back then, most of us did.

But that was back when the jobs were everywhere (1973/74).

Perhaps the other strand - the (chorus of clear clarion calls) Gender War had something to do with it - add 40% more workers and hey, presto - automatic unemployment....
Throw in a few policies that favour some over others to 'equalise' them - and hey - guess who suffers the most unemployment....

Young Men.......who are also high in the homeless category... and the 'crime' category - well I wonder farken why?

ALSO:- The rise in the Single Mother of Choice lifestyle is a job by another name... it's a living when there is no other. Check the demos on SMBC in low employment vacancy areas...

Just saying - not criticising... but this is a sort of continuation of the 'mum at home' by another name - and is a stark reminder of REALITY! Maybe more 'mums at home'
would free up the market.... maybe even lower housing prices and so on that are currently geared to the mandatory dual income family......

Too many workers - and even here - a very low job opportunity area - there are people with two jobs and many with none... now WTF sort of micro-management is that?

Absolute freedom for all in the work marketplace, meaning you can have five jobs if you can get them, but someone else might have none.

Great work there! And guaranteed to do three things - fragment this country into massive social divides - lead to massive and permanent underclass poverty and serfdom and consequent disempowerment socially, economically and politically (well, I never!) - and also lead inevitably to revolt and civil war.

Cry

Ah - life in The Third World Banana Republic.... (kisses off fingers) .....

THE primary cause of revolt and revolution is insult. How much longer can the dual insults of deprivation and the gender war go on before some eruptions occurs?

Hey, dude! Where's My Australia? Cry

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Reply #20 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:49am

Some very valid points raised.

When you get right down to the core of it, Globalisation is responsible for the massive youth unemployment. It's not just about manufacturing and low-skill jobs going offshore, it's much broader than that. Because of modern Internet and telecommunications, many of our I.T. and call centre jobs have gone offshore, and in massive numbers. Retail is taking a hit too, and that will probably make the biggest difference, as it's the nations biggest employer. Because of cheap online sales, which are also not subject to GST, more and more people are buying goods online, which is forcing numerous Australian retailers out of business. Also, as most of the manufacturing is now gone, more people are opening up retail stores in Australia, only compounding issues. The bottom line is, the wealthy in this country are continually looking to boost their profits by sourcing labour offshore, wherevere and however they can. And in the remaining local jobs, corporations are now importing migrant workers who will work for slave wages.

As a result of all this, the only industries that are doing well in Australia are the mining/resources sector, along with large farms. The wealthy and the Liberal Party simply want the rest to become homeless and starve - a simple case of forced population reduction. There are a number of things that people can do to change this issue:

First and foremost, write to your Federal MP, demanding an end to Free Trade Agreements.
Put an end to migration, for the time being, but as a total separate issue to Boat People.
We are simply filling prisons with the poor and unemployed. Raise public awareness about our ever-increasing prison populations in most states, and how this is crippling our economy. When business owners realise this, then they might wake up.
Investigate the number of people of working age on Newstart or other job-seeking benefits (exluding pensions), as a percentage of the working age population. This will give a TRUE indicator of unemployment rates.
On a personal level, we need to provide free birth control to all the unemployed, and encourage women as much as possible to take up this option.
If at all possible, don't pay for Rent alone - take up share housing to minimise your expenses. If enough people did this, this would put pressure on the economy, where the number of vacant rental properties would increase. Ultimately, this would force more wealthy property owners to sell up.

None of these options are a silver bullet solution, but they would go along way to fixing unemployment and UNDERemployment in this country, and distributing the wealth much more evenly.

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Reply #22 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:18am

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we need to provide free birth control to all the unemployed

Sorry.

Not on. It reeks of eugenics.

As I've said before, the unemployed are not some kind of undesirable
sub-species that you have the right to breed into extinction, nor should
anyone tolerate them being treated as such

The idea is completely unacceptable, especially due to its blatantly
discriminatory nature. The unemployed have as much right to breed as
anyone else, and certainly more-so than those who'd practice some kind
of genocide upon them.

You sound like another of the 'they've never worked since leaving school,
and never will' school of (no) thought, who believes that the unemployed
should be punished and marginalised simply for being unemployed.

As you've done before, you post a comment which, on the surface, seems
quite reasonable. Then the 'sting in the tail' appears, and negates everything
else you've said.

Just what is it that makes you think that you are somehow superior to an
unemployed person?

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Reply #23 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:38am

Kat wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

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we need to provide free birth control to all the unemployed

Sorry.

Not on. It reeks of eugenics.

As I've said before, the unemployed are not some kind of undesirable
sub-species that you have the right to breed into extinction, nor should
anyone tolerate them being treated as such

The idea is completely unacceptable, especially due to its blatantly
discriminatory nature. The unemployed have as much right to breed as
anyone else, and certainly more-so than those who'd practice some kind
of genocide upon them.

You sound like another of the 'they've never worked since leaving school,
and never will' school of (no) thought, who believes that the unemployed
should be punished and marginalised simply for being unemployed.

As you've done before, you post a comment which, on the surface, seems
quite reasonable. Then the 'sting in the tail' appears, and negates everything
else you've said.

Just what is it that makes you think that you are somehow superior to an
unemployed person?

Couldn't agree more, Kat, this would be just the first step on a very slippery slope; next, perhaps the forced sterilization of the long-term unemployed. Then let's include those who are somehow "different".
We've been there before...

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Reply #25 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Couldn't agree more, Kat, this would be just the first step on a very slippery slope; next, perhaps the forced sterilization of the long-term unemployed. Then let's include those who are somehow "different".
We've been there before...

Ending the feral breeding program would help Australia. No more money for being too stupid to take a pill or wanting a new TV at the taxpayer's expense.

If you can't feed 'em, you shouldn't breed 'em. Personal responsibility, it's not just for taxpayers, it for everyone.

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Reply #26 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:40am

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Couldn't agree more, Kat, this would be just the first step on a very slippery slope; next, perhaps the forced sterilization of the long-term unemployed. Then let's include those who are somehow "different".
We've been there before...

Ending the feral breeding program would help Australia. No more money for being too stupid to take a pill or wanting a new TV at the taxpayer's expense.

If you can't feed 'em, you shouldn't breed 'em. Personal responsibility, it's not just for taxpayers, it for everyone.

Why so angry BigOl', was your stint as Spot's flight attendant really so bad?

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Reply #27 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 11:15am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Couldn't agree more, Kat, this would be just the first step on a very slippery slope; next, perhaps the forced sterilization of the long-term unemployed. Then let's include those who are somehow "different".
We've been there before...

Ending the feral breeding program would help Australia. No more money for being too stupid to take a pill or wanting a new TV at the taxpayer's expense.

If you can't feed 'em, you shouldn't breed 'em. Personal responsibility, it's not just for taxpayers, it for everyone.

Why so angry BigOl', was your stint as Spot's flight attendant really so bad?

Why so wrong felon?

See this means Im angry Angry

There are none of these in my post. No Angry

means no anger.

No emoticon mean no emotion, just information.

But thanks for what little effort you put into the reply, I know you exceeded your limitiations on that one. Grin

(laughing at you)

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Reply #28 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 11:21am

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Couldn't agree more, Kat, this would be just the first step on a very slippery slope; next, perhaps the forced sterilization of the long-term unemployed. Then let's include those who are somehow "different".
We've been there before...

Ending the feral breeding program would help Australia. No more money for being too stupid to take a pill or wanting a new TV at the taxpayer's expense.

If you can't feed 'em, you shouldn't breed 'em. Personal responsibility, it's not just for taxpayers, it for everyone.

I agree BigOl,
it's irresponsible to bring children into the world
if you don't have a steady job & income.

Maybe that's why RU486 is almost being given away now?

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Reply #29 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 11:54am

thank god crook, that people like you and me can see that the union demands for higher wages and penalty rates are resulting in this tragic unemployment.

i applaud your efforts crook, to curb the power of the unions , and assist small business to employ these young people.

thankfully , you can see that union demands will see them thrown on the scrap heap of unemployment and i am grateful for your many posts recognising the evil of wages growth that is not accompanied by productivity growth

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