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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #90 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Still whinging like a baby for proof Gregg, if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd chances are it's a ....

I know you have a very limited understanding of things red, but just listen for a minute.

The title of this thread is "Proof they are economic migrants".

Agreed?

The story referred to does not provide any proof that they are economic migrants. It's just an opinion from Bob, backed up with absolutely nothing.

Now, considering the title of the thread, and the lack of proof in the link provided, don't you think it's reasonable to ask where this "proof" actually is?

Or are you just so stupid that you believe everything a politician, talk-back radio host, or newspaper article tells you?

Oh, hang on ...

Or are you just so stupid that you believe everything a politician, talk-back radio host, or newspaper article tells you?

Bingo!

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #91 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

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Not at all, as I stated previously, there have been a number of occasions when boats full of alleged asylum seekers have been preparing to leave from Indonesia and these peopel have been arrested and detained by the Indonsion authorities becausae their intent was to commit a crime, i.e cross into Australia without a visa.

I'm willing to be educated. Can you provide some links, please?

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #92 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:35pm

Peccahead, it is Labor's Minister for Foreign Affairs who made the statement. Now you say he made this flippant statement off his own bat......seems strange that a government minister, particularly one who deals on a daily basis with various countries and their immigration departments should throw these "off the cuff" statements about with what seems to be very little thought, if we are to value your take on matters. If anybody is to provide YOU with "evidence" surely it should be good old Bob........now I'm sure if you ask him nicely he'll jump to attention and provide you with what you demand from everybody on this forum.

You may need more popcorn whilst you're waiting for a reply from old Bobby. Grin

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #93 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Still whinging like a baby for proof Gregg, if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd chances are it's a ....

I know you have a very limited understanding of things red, but just listen for a minute.

The title of this thread is "Proof they are economic migrants".

Agreed?

The story referred to does not provide any proof that they are economic migrants. It's just an opinion from Bob, backed up with absolutely nothing.

Now, considering the title of the thread, and the lack of proof in the link provided, don't you think it's reasonable to ask where this "proof" actually is?

Or are you just so stupid that you believe everything a politician, talk-back radio host, or newspaper article tells you?

Oh, hang on ...

Or are you just so stupid that you believe everything a politician, talk-back radio host, or newspaper article tells you?

Bingo!

It would be foolish to believe everything a politician, talk-back radio host, or newspaper article tells you, no doubt.

But even the most perfunctory sniff test would tell you something is up, that they are not all fleeing persecution, especially those that return once they become citizens, or those that opt to return when confronted with a delay in processing.

Nothing in life is ever certain that's why tests of beyond a reasonable doubt or burden of probability exist.

Or you may be right, Carr has no clue, making poo up and is just spouting bullshit, in which case he should be sacked.

Or, is it more likely that there are economic self selecting immigrants? You reckon no?

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #94 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

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Not at all, as I stated previously, there have been a number of occasions when boats full of alleged asylum seekers have been preparing to leave from Indonesia and these peopel have been arrested and detained by the Indonsion authorities becausae their intent was to commit a crime, i.e cross into Australia without a visa.

I'm willing to be educated. Can you provide some links, please?

Sure

http://hazaraasylumseekers.wordpress.com/category/asylum-seekers-in-indonesia-2/

Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/356702/report-says-child-asylum-seekers-abused-in-indonesia-detention
Indonesia is locking up hundreds of child asylum-seekers and migrants in squalid detention centres where they are sometimes assaulted, Human Rights Watch said on Monday.

Indonesia isnt treating these people as "asylum seekers", they are treating them as people committing a crime.

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #95 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

ian wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

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Not at all, as I stated previously, there have been a number of occasions when boats full of alleged asylum seekers have been preparing to leave from Indonesia and these peopel have been arrested and detained by the Indonsion authorities becausae their intent was to commit a crime, i.e cross into Australia without a visa.

I'm willing to be educated. Can you provide some links, please?

Sure\
http://hazaraasylumseekers.wordpress.com/category/asylum-seekers-in-indonesia-2/

Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/356702/report-says-child-asylum-seekers-abused-in-indonesia-detention
Indonesia is locking up hundreds of child asylum-seekers and migrants in squalid detention centres where they are sometimes assaulted, Human Rights Watch said on Monday.

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #96 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

ian wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

Quote:

Not at all, as I stated previously, there have been a number of occasions when boats full of alleged asylum seekers have been preparing to leave from Indonesia and these peopel have been arrested and detained by the Indonsion authorities becausae their intent was to commit a crime, i.e cross into Australia without a visa.

I'm willing to be educated. Can you provide some links, please?

Sure\
http://hazaraasylumseekers.wordpress.com/category/asylum-seekers-in-indonesia-2/

Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

P

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/356702/report-says-child-asylum-seekers-abused-in-indonesia-detention
Indonesia is locking up hundreds of child asylum-seekers and migrants in squalid detention centres where they are sometimes assaulted, Human Rights Watch said on Monday.

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

errr, no. The clue is the words "bound for Christmas Island".

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #97 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

Agreed, it was a bit confusing, especially this bit,

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boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

LOL.

I note in another post you are a solicitor. Any chance of a name? I would hate to accidentally employ you if that's what you understood from from viewing two easily understandable links, one containing in large font, "Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten".

Hate to hit you with anything complex, like say a parking ticket. Grin

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #99 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 6:24am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Genuine refugees would stop at the first safe place they come to. These people - economic refugees - pass through more than one safe place intent on reaching Australia because this incompetent government not only lays out the welcome mat, but give them freebies to the tune of thousands of dollars. Five years after arriving, most are still on welfare.

How many times does it have to be explained to you? Also how many times do we have to ask 'what safe countries' for you to realise there arent any?

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Last time I looked, we weren't seeing boat loads of Indonesians fleeing from persecution by Indon authorities! That would seem to suggest that Indonesia is fairly safe.

What do they do to refugees? You call that "safe"?

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #100 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:14am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 6:24am: What do they do to refugees? You call that "safe"? SOB http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg They are treating criminals as criminals. The Indos arent stupid enough to think they are refugees, only us.
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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #101 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:19am

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:14am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 6:24am:

What do they do to refugees? You call that "safe"?

SOB

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They are treating criminals as criminals. The Indos arent stupid enough to think they are refugees, only us.

Indonesia does not recognise Asylum Status so refugees have no choice but to flee to a signatory country to gain freedom.....Australia needs to mature and accept we are a target because we have offered asylum to anyone who can reach our borders.....We offered a hand of freedom only to take it away again if anyone accepts us for our word.....Australia has nothing to be proud of when it comes to asylum seekers!!!

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #102 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 8:21am

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

Agreed, it was a bit confusing, especially this bit,

Quote:

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

LOL.

I note in another post you are a solicitor. Any chance of a name? I would hate to accidentally employ you if that's what you understood from from viewing two easily understandable links, one containing in large font, "Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten".

Hate to hit you with anything complex, like say a parking ticket. Grin

The leftards aren't known for being bright...

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #103 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:33am

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

Peccahead, it is Labor's Minister for Foreign Affairs who made the statement. Now you say he made this flippant statement off his own bat......seems strange that a government minister, particularly one who deals on a daily basis with various countries and their immigration departments should throw these "off the cuff" statements about with what seems to be very little thought, if we are to value your take on matters. If anybody is to provide YOU with "evidence" surely it should be good old Bob........now I'm sure if you ask him nicely he'll jump to attention and provide you with what you demand from everybody on this forum.

And yet he hasn't.

The title of this thread is "Proof they are economic migrants".

So, where is the "proof"?

Surely you're not so stupid that you believe everything a politician (before an election), talk-back radio host, or newspaper article tells you?

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Re: Proof they are economic migrants
Reply #104 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:39am

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

Or you may be right, Carr has no clue, making poo up and is just spouting bullshit, in which case he should be sacked.

I'm not saying that at all.

All I'm doing is asking for the "proof".

It might exist, and if it does I have no problem accepting it.

If the people on the boats are not genuine refugees, send them home.

I've said this many, many times.

I'm not calling Bob a liar: I'm just asking for more than his word. Give us some specific numbers (percentages).

I make no apologies for being cynical of politicians in the last few months before an election.

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