Australian Politics Forum - Proof they are economic migrants

Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #120 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:04pm Thank you, SOB, as you were.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74939 Gender:	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #121 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:26pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 1:11pm: I'm still waiting for the big revelation he couldn't tell us about last week. so is he !!!
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138740 Gender:	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #122 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:31pm John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:26pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 1:11pm: I'm still waiting for the big revelation he couldn't tell us about last week. so is he !!! He's just waiting to see if it's aired on ACA. If Tracy gives it the OK, he'll let us all know.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #123 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 3:12pm Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 2:04pm: Thank you, SOB, as you were. What is your problem now troll? You want to do the math i set for red? SOB
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Reply #124 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:05pm

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

Agreed, it was a bit confusing, especially this bit,

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boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

LOL.

I note in another post you are a solicitor. Any chance of a name? I would hate to accidentally employ you if that's what you understood from from viewing two easily understandable links, one containing in large font, "Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten".

Hate to hit you with anything complex, like say a parking ticket. Grin

Well geography was never a strong point but it seems Banten is NORTH of the main Indonesian Islands, so my guess seems correct that these people were still inbound, not outbound Indonesia.

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Reply #125 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:17pm

Suddenly, even refugee advocates are talking about stemming the tide by making Malaysia and Indonesia act responsibly.
On Your ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/refugee-advocate-indonesi...

He is explaining the difference between obligations to refugees and providing immigration settlement and family reunion, ie primary and secondary refugee movements. (Which is what I have been trying to explain to the thick 'n murkies on here - Greg, Don, SOB, Freeman et al.)

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Reply #126 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:33pm

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Suddenly, even refugee advocates are talking about stemming the tide by making Malaysia and Indonesia act responsibly.
On Your ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/refugee-advocate-indonesi...

He is explaining the difference between obligations to refugees and providing immigration settlement and family reunion, ie primary and secondary refugee movements. (Which is what I have been trying to explain to the thick 'n murkies on here - Greg, Don, SOB, Freeman et al.)

Actually what he was saying is exactly what ive been saying: setup proper protection in indonesia and then as necessary send people back. Good to see you missed his main point.

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #127 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 8:24pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:33pm: Actually what he was saying is exactly what ive been saying: setup proper protection in indonesia and then as necessary send people back. Good to see you missed his main point. Let me guess, you want the Australian tax payer to fund the whole thing?
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Reply #128 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:14pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Suddenly, even refugee advocates are talking about stemming the tide by making Malaysia and Indonesia act responsibly.
On Your ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/refugee-advocate-indonesi...

He is explaining the difference between obligations to refugees and providing immigration settlement and family reunion, ie primary and secondary refugee movements. (Which is what I have been trying to explain to the thick 'n murkies on here - Greg, Don, SOB, Freeman et al.)

Actually what he was saying is exactly what ive been saying: setup proper protection in indonesia and then as necessary send people back. Good to see you missed his main point.

Listen again. Primary and secondary refugee movements. Get back when you've got your head around that.

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Reply #129 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:43pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

Agreed, it was a bit confusing, especially this bit,

Quote:

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

LOL.

I note in another post you are a solicitor. Any chance of a name? I would hate to accidentally employ you if that's what you understood from from viewing two easily understandable links, one containing in large font, "Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten".

Hate to hit you with anything complex, like say a parking ticket. Grin

Well geography was never a strong point but it seems Banten is NORTH of the main Indonesian Islands, so my guess seems correct that these people were still inbound, not outbound Indonesia.

Wink

Oi, Datalife...........where are you?

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Reply #130 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

Agreed, it was a bit confusing, especially this bit,

Quote:

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

LOL.

I note in another post you are a solicitor. Any chance of a name? I would hate to accidentally employ you if that's what you understood from from viewing two easily understandable links, one containing in large font, "Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten".

Hate to hit you with anything complex, like say a parking ticket. Grin

Well geography was never a strong point but it seems Banten is NORTH of the main Indonesian Islands, so my guess seems correct that these people were still inbound, not outbound Indonesia.

Wink

Oi, Datalife...........where are you?

Roll Eyes

Right here Aussie. If you want to crow about not understanding some perfectly clear links feel free. Or is the story false and police did not detain 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island?

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Reply #131 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:56pm

Datalife wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

The link was sort of hard to follow, but, doing the best I can with it................it seems those referred to were inbound to Indonesia, not leaving Indonesia.

Agreed, it was a bit confusing, especially this bit,

Quote:

boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

LOL.

I note in another post you are a solicitor. Any chance of a name? I would hate to accidentally employ you if that's what you understood from from viewing two easily understandable links, one containing in large font, "Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten".

Hate to hit you with anything complex, like say a parking ticket. Grin

Well geography was never a strong point but it seems Banten is NORTH of the main Indonesian Islands, so my guess seems correct that these people were still inbound, not outbound Indonesia.

Wink

Oi, Datalife...........where are you?

Roll Eyes

Right here Aussie. If you want to crow about not understanding some perfectly clear links feel free. Or is the story false and police did not detain 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island?

details in stories are often false .. I can speak from first hand experience. A close relative had a write up about him in a newspaper once because of something I won't get into, and I can tell you they got EVERY SINGLE detail wrong ... from name, age suburb, EVERYTHING .... the only thing they got right ( by fluke ) was the heading of the story ..... I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself.

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Reply #132 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:03pm

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Suddenly, even refugee advocates are talking about stemming the tide by making Malaysia and Indonesia act responsibly.
On Your ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/refugee-advocate-indonesi...

He is explaining the difference between obligations to refugees and providing immigration settlement and family reunion, ie primary and secondary refugee movements. (Which is what I have been trying to explain to the thick 'n murkies on here - Greg, Don, SOB, Freeman et al.)

With Carr and Rudd making noises about economic refugees I can sniff a change in the air. It would be a face saving distinction for Rudd as well, he can play softly softly with asylum seekers but by playing with the definition and proof side they can do a run around.

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Reply #133 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:04pm

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Right here Aussie. If you want to crow about not understanding some perfectly clear links feel free. Or is the story false and police did not detain 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island?

Aah there you are.

Was I in error in saying the people under discussion (while their planned and final destination was 'Botany Bay') were arrested when they were landing first in Indonesia....inbound? (Silly beggars obviously had not paid the appropriate 'local' tax to the local Indonesian coppers.)

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Reply #134 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:04pm:

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Right here Aussie. If you want to crow about not understanding some perfectly clear links feel free. Or is the story false and police did not detain 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island?

Aah there you are.

Was I in error in saying the people under discussion (while their planned and final destination was 'Botany Bay') were arrested when they were landing first in Indonesia....inbound? (Silly beggars obviously had not paid the appropriate 'local' tax to the local Indonesian coppers.)

Here is the article in full Aussie. I suggest that if you are trying to build a case that the asylum seekers were not detained, or that detention was illegal because of where they were detained you make yourself clear.

What are you attempting to say? What is your argument?

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Indonesian Police Detain 56 Asylum Seekers Off Coast of Banten

June 28, 2013

A boat carrying 56 asylum seekers bound for Australia’s Christmas Island were detained by Maritime Police off the coast of Tangerang, Banten, on Wednesday, police said.

Police arrested the boat’s captain, a man identified as Darwis, and the crew of the Kian Santang boat after spotting the vessel in the waters west of Laki Island, off the coast of Mauk, Tangerang, Jakarta Police spokesman Sr. Comr. Rikwanto said on Thursday. The 56 asylum seekers found on-board were transferred to the Tangerang Immigration Office for processing.

“The Tangerang and Jakarta maritime police stopped the boat and its captain, Darwis, as well as two crew members in waters west of Laki island near Mauk in Tangerang,” Rikwanto said. “There were 56 illegal immigrants on board — 41 men, 11 women and four children. The ship was transporting them to Christmas Island.”

Rikwanto said that the boat, the captain, the crew and the asylum seekers were taken to the Jakarta headquarters of the maritime police.

“Yesterday, at around 5:30 p.m. all immigrants had been handed over to the Tangerang Immigration Office,” Rikwanto said.

Indonesia is a common transit point for Australia-bound asylum seekers, where thousands of potential refugees risk their lives aboard leaky boats operated by people smuggling syndicates.

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