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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26143 Gender:	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #45 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:21pm skippy. wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:18pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:16pm: Genuine refugees would stop at the first safe place they come to. . Why didnt the Jews stop at England? Moron alert!!!
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Reply #46 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:21pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Genuine refugees would stop at the first safe place they come to. .

Why didnt the Jews stop at England?

Moron alert!!! Roll Eyes

There's no need to announce your entrance into a thread.

But, if that's what you wish.

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Reply #47 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

bambu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Indonesia let them in, so Indonesia should process them, and let them stay there ...

Are you familiar with the 1951 UN Convention?

http://www.unhcr.org/protect/PROTECTION/3b73b0d63.pdf

Indonesia isnt signatory to this convention. Paying to get on a boat to cross into foreign waters from Indonesia is illegal in Indonesia..

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Reply #48 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm

ian wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

bambu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Indonesia let them in, so Indonesia should process them, and let them stay there ...

Are you familiar with the 1951 UN Convention?

http://www.unhcr.org/protect/PROTECTION/3b73b0d63.pdf

Indonesia isnt signatory to this convention. Paying to get on a boat to cross into foreign waters from Indonesia is illegal in Indonesia..

really? So if I went for a holiday into Indo and I wanted to charter a fishing boat for a few days to take me into international waters for some deep sea fishing, the Indo's won't let me?

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Reply #49 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

ian wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

bambu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Indonesia let them in, so Indonesia should process them, and let them stay there ...

Are you familiar with the 1951 UN Convention?

http://www.unhcr.org/protect/PROTECTION/3b73b0d63.pdf

Indonesia isnt signatory to this convention. Paying to get on a boat to cross into foreign waters from Indonesia is illegal in Indonesia..

Well done ian!

It appears that you do know something afterall.

That is correct, Indonesia is not a signatory.

Now you just need to tell that to your mates red baron and bambu: they think that Indonesia should be processing their claims.

" ... Indonesia should process them ... "

Roll Eyes

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Reply #50 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:42pm

Carr was on the news again this morning and repeated the same thing, or it was a replay, either way he stated that they are mostly economic migrants who are NOT seeking asylum. They are therefore illegals and should not be allowed to come into this country, or are we going to give them benefits the Australians who have recently been put out of work paid taxes all their working lives for, seems somewhat arse over tit to me?

Immigration at the airports returns untruthful travellers who have not got permission to enter this country and therefore have not legally acquired the appropriate documents of approval. They are also banned from re-entering for two years in most cases, others are banned for life.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138740 Gender:	Re: Proof they are economic migrants Reply #51 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:46pm Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:42pm: Carr was on the news again this morning and repeated the same thing, or it was a replay, either way he stated that they are mostly economic migrants who are NOT seeking asylum. What evidence did he produce this time?
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Reply #52 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Carr was on the news again this morning and repeated the same thing, or it was a replay, either way he stated that they are mostly economic migrants who are NOT seeking asylum.

What evidence did he produce this time?

Undecided

Well Gillard appointed him Minister for Foreign Affairs, and KRudd hasn't changed that, so I would think, now I'm stretching a bit now, that he has some evidence which confirms his statement.......Your Honour! Grin

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Reply #53 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

Well done ian!

It appears that you do know something afterall.

That is correct, Indonesia is not a signatory.

Now you just need to tell that to your mates red baron and bambu: they think that Indonesia should be processing their claims.

" ... Indonesia should process them ... "

Roll Eyes

Im more interested in your claim that they are not doing anything illegal, That is obviously incorrect. Indonesia has on a number of occasions arrested and detained these alleged asylum seekers before they left Indonesion waters because of thier illegal intent.

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Reply #54 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:58pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Carr was on the news again this morning and repeated the same thing, or it was a replay, either way he stated that they are mostly economic migrants who are NOT seeking asylum.

What evidence did he produce this time?

Undecided

Well Gillard appointed him Minister for Foreign Affairs, and KRudd hasn't changed that, so I would think, now I'm stretching a bit now, that he has some evidence which confirms his statement.......Your Honour! Grin

You "would think" he has some evidence?

OK.

So we're just taking Bob's word for it?

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Reply #55 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

ian wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

Well done ian!

It appears that you do know something afterall.

That is correct, Indonesia is not a signatory.

Now you just need to tell that to your mates red baron and bambu: they think that Indonesia should be processing their claims.

" ... Indonesia should process them ... "

Roll Eyes

Im more interested in your claim that they are not doing anything illegal, That is obviously incorrect. Indonesia has on a number of occasions arrested and detained these alleged asylum seekers before they left Indonesion waters because of thier illegal intent.

They've done nothing illegal under Australian law.

I'm not talking about the rest of the world.

Australia.

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Reply #56 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

As I said, I'm stretching a bit, but you are the labor supporter, and he's the Labor government's Minister for Foreign Affairs, so I guess he must be speaking honestly..........or maybe he's talking rubbish like the rest of the leftards, however on this occasions it is my humble opinion that he's nearer the mark than he probably realises..........who knows, I do not vote Labor?

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Reply #57 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Carr was on the news again this morning and repeated the same thing, or it was a replay, either way he stated that they are mostly economic migrants who are NOT seeking asylum.

What evidence did he produce this time?

Undecided

Well Gillard appointed him Minister for Foreign Affairs, and KRudd hasn't changed that, so I would think, now I'm stretching a bit now, that he has some evidence which confirms his statement.......Your Honour! Grin

You "would think" he has some evidence?

OK.

So we're just taking Bob's word for it?

I was privvy to some of the evidence when working in the Intell division of a relevant C'wlth agency........I can only assume in the last 12 months that Intell holdings reveal further persuasive evidence of the problem........he ain't just making it up...of that I am sure....

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Reply #58 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

As I said, I'm stretching a bit, but you are the labor supporter, and he's the Labor government's Minister for Foreign Affairs, so I guess he must be speaking honestly..........or maybe he's talking rubbish like the rest of the leftards, however on this occasions it is my humble opinion that he's nearer the mark than he probably realises..........who knows, I do not vote Labor?

When you say "Labor supporter", you are correct in that I would much rather see a Labor Government after the next election.

However, that doesn't mean that I think every member of the ALP is honest. Far from it.

In the next few months we will be seeing a lot of dishonesty coming from all political parties.

In this case, I think Bob is trying to get support from the more conservative swinging voters.

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Reply #59 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

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They've done nothing illegal under Australian law.

I'm not talking about the rest of the world.

Australia.

So you are all for taking in criminals? Because under Indonesion law they are criminals. BTW, if they did the same in Australia, i.e. paid to get on a boat for the express purpose of crossing into another nations sovereign territory without a valid visa they would also be liable to prosecution also.

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