freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:08pm:


How do you know? You hardly ever talk to muslims, you've said so yourself. Almost your entire real-life experience with muslims is limited to this forum - where you goad and troll muslims until they say what you want to hear. Like I said there is a context for muslim bitterness towards Israel, and it has nothing to do with 'frothing at the mouth'.. Hitler imitating. It is baseless and just plain bigoted.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:08pm:


Freeway, FD - singular. It is a single freeway into the holy city of Mecca. Everyone knows Mecca is a muslim only city. As far as  I know, non-muslims have free access to every other freeway and city in Saudi Arabia (and the rest of the muslim world). You are either being dishonest and/or just making sh!t up again.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:08pm:


there you go again - again its tribe - singular. And they were executed because they insisted on being judged by jewish law - not islamic law - and the jewish proscribed punishment for violating a treaty was death.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:08pm:


Yes I am FD - because unlike you I don't make sh!t up. You are trully unbelievable - but in a really buggered up way, bloody hilarious.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:08pm:


No its not FD - God I don't know whether to laugh or cry, the sheer spine you have to come out with such blatant lies - presumably with a straight face. I really should keep a list.

But anyway, throw-away lines like "muslims rant more about jews" today, isn't even close to demonstrating that historically muslims gave jews "[negative] special treatment" ever since the time of Muhammad. Comparatively speaking, its fair to say that jews were treated quite well by the muslims - notwithstanding the occasional massacre - which all minorities are victims of at some point. The attitude of the muslims only changed after zionism hit the arab world - hence the context that you refuse to acknowledge.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:08pm:


Did I say that?? What is wrong with you? Ethnic cleansing/expulsions are *NEVER* excusable - that goes for both the muslims and the jews. I condemn both - whereas you refuse to even recognise one took place, and hold the other as the only thing that defines the entire arab-Israeli conflict.

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There are a few billion Muslims in the world. Surely there is a better way to find out what they think than asking each one.

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I want to hear the truth. I keep asking until I get a straight answer. What is wrong with that?

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Right, they are imitating Muhammed. Is that better?

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I posted three links to discussions with other Muslims about the historical event, and I even pointed out the obvious modern maintenance of the situation. Ethnic cleansing is written into the Koran.

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Jolly good show then. Don't know what the Jews are complaining about. Surely they should give up this fanciful notion that they need their own homeland and can't rely on the Muslims to look after them. After all, what would one more massacre be in the grand scheme of things?

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Except of course when Muhammed does it.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:


Says he who until this point has run ad-nauseum with "I know what the entire muslim population thinks based on what Abu and/or Falah said".

Prey tell, since you have apparently progressed from this line of thinking, what other ways have you determined that muslims are "frothing at the mouth" and are only interested in finishing off what Hitler started? Keeping in mind there are, in your words, "a few billion muslims in the world".

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:


Nothing wrong with that. However you have demonstrated with your wiki articles that you are prone to attributing something said by muslims - that they demonstrably never said at all. Like your claims about spousal rape - Falah is used as a source for the claim that islam permits spousal rape, even though in the thread you linked he argued at length the exact opposite. Or, more blatantly, refer to discussions that never even existed - such as the camel urine claims.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:


hmmm no - still baseless and bigoted.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:


Thats nice FD - but it has nothing to do with why you referred to multiple "muslim only" freeways in the arab world, when in reality there is exactly one. Oh and your last sentence is made-up-sh!t about the Quran number 2 in two posts.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:


The jews have plenty they can justly complain about - but crying innocence at the violence that occured in 1947-48 is not one of them.

You are sounding like a broken record with you continually ignoring the proper context of the 1948 war. I wouldn't even mind so much if you would say something like the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians was justified in view of the horrors the jews had experienced - likewise for the King David Hotel bombing and other acts of terrorism.

I agree that something needed to be done, You might even be able to convince me that a jewish state should have been created - with proper consultation, without the terrorism and ethnic cleansing, and with international cooperation (and preferably without key international negotiators being assassinated). Provided it did not impinge the rights of the non-jews - as specified in the Balfour Declaration. But you seem incapable of discussing any of this, instead you are determined to remain fixated on your 'frothing at the mouth' evil muslim meme. No constructive discussion can come out of that.

The culmination of 1400 years of Jews "thriving" under Islam - not withstanding the occasional massacre of course.

It started with ethnic cleansing by Muhammed himself (yes, even if there is only one freeway into Mecca).

1400 years later, while the world is still reeling from the horror of the holocaust, the Arabs and some other Muslim countries decide that now is an auspicious time for their final solution, which they achieve with a success and efficiency that Hitler could only dream of. No railways or wasted infrastructure for these Jews, they can buy their own ticket. So they finally get rid of the few remaining Jews. Then they send in their armies to slaughter the Jews who ended up as refugees in tent cities in the Israeli desert - because they are still on Muslim territory, and because they created their own Muslim refugee problem, which is obviously unacceptable. This is where a comparison with Hitler gets difficult, because they suffer the most humiliating defeat imaginable, like if the German army had been sent packing by Amsterdam. It could only have been more embarrassing for them if the Egyptian tanks got bogged in the red sea on the way into battle.

This of course makes the Jews the villains, for not consulting with the Muslims on how to be refugees. And of course the solution is for the Jews to once again live under the yoke of Islam, so they can thrive like they have done for the last 1400 years (notwithstanding the occasional massacre).

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 8:32am:



polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:58am:


Well at least you are kinda addressing it...

Here you go Gandalf:

falah wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:


Lucky we have the wiki hey? Otherwise all we would see is 100 pages of Falah accusing me of lying because Islam encourages men to respect their wives (while also insisting it is a wife's duty to satisfy her husband on demand).