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Reply #60 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

Look at Islam's intellectual history, Gandy.

They ordered some translations which were carried out by non-Muslims or recent converts. They restricted it all to works that excused or justified Islam - no poetry, no drama, no comedy, no histories. Once the apologetics stuff was done, the whole intellectual enterprise was shut down and has stayed shut down ever since.

Islam is intellectually negligible. It is reactionary and anti-thought at the best of times. It is a closed-minded, oppressive, monstering ideology.

It wants anyone who leaves it killed. How telling is that??? What does that tell you about the mental outlook of Islam?? Kill all who wants to leave Islam.

How reasonable, enlightened and intellectually curious is THAT???i

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96762	Re: Where the Israeil Jews really came from Reply #61 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:27pm You’ve lost the argument, Sory. I must have read that exact same post of yours at least 50 times. As soon as you bring up the never-ever line, we know you’re done. The rest is just a long, drawn-out theatrical death. Margot Fontaine with haemorrhoids. Nuffin’ to see here, folks.
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Reply #62 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:28pm

Soren wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Look at Islam's intellectual history, Gandy.

They ordered some translations which were carried out by non-Muslims or recent converts. They restricted it all to works that excused or justified Islam - no poetry, no drama, no comedy, no histories. Once the apologetics stuff was done, the whole intellectual enterprise was shut down and has stayed shut down ever since.

Laughable.

Anyway, Soren, keep your head buried in the sand if it gives your life meaning. I can't stop you from insisting on such a revisionist version of history that no one apart from your buddies at jihadwatch and answering-islam take seriously. My only advise is don't make the mistake of attempting to back your version up with actual scholarly research again.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #63 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Look at Islam's intellectual history, Gandy.

They ordered some translations which were carried out by non-Muslims or recent converts. They restricted it all to works that excused or justified Islam - no poetry, no drama, no comedy, no histories. Once the apologetics stuff was done, the whole intellectual enterprise was shut down and has stayed shut down ever since.

Laughable.

Anyway, Soren, keep your head buried in the sand if it gives your life meaning. I can't stop you from insisting on such a revisionist version of history that no one apart from your buddies at jihadwatch and answering-islam take seriously. My only advise is don't make the mistake of attempting to back your version up with actual scholarly research again.

Yes, that’s a first for the old boy - scholarly research. He usually just writes the post below.

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Re: Where the Israeil Jews really came from
Reply #64 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:21am

Chimp it's a bit hard to see the tiny speck on the map, but it looks to me like Israel's skin cancer rate is fairly low (light green).

If this is some kind of attempt to answer the question of where the Israeli Jews really come from, I think you win the prize for the most circuitous answer. This is not some anthropological exercise where we have to guess based on fragments of information. It is actually reasonably well documented where they came from, seeing as most of them came in the last century.

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Reply #65 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Look at Islam's intellectual history, Gandy.

They ordered some translations which were carried out by non-Muslims or recent converts. They restricted it all to works that excused or justified Islam - no poetry, no drama, no comedy, no histories. Once the apologetics stuff was done, the whole intellectual enterprise was shut down and has stayed shut down ever since.

Laughable.

Anyway, Soren, keep your head buried in the sand if it gives your life meaning. I can't stop you from insisting on such a revisionist version of history that no one apart from your buddies at jihadwatch and answering-islam take seriously. My only advise is don't make the mistake of attempting to back your version up with actual scholarly research again.

It's not laughable.
Islam's intellectual history is cringeworthy. You are stuck in what was forward looking 1000 years ago.
1000 years on, that outlook is utterly backward. Look at any Muslim country. The best ones are leaving Islam out of their political and social system the most. But even those are buggered by any objective standard because they cannot shake Islam completely.
You have contributed to the world precisely nothing for 800 years. Nothing.

That must be a record.

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Reply #66 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

It's not laughable.
Islam's intellectual history is cringeworthy.

What exactly is it about initiating the greatest translation program the world had ever seen - that sparked a great scientific and philosophical flowering do you find "cringeworthy"?

Once again, from the encyclopedia you were so eager to quote before:

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[the arab conquerors] were eager learners. Inspired the richness of the civilizations they were now encountering for the first time, and explicitly encouraged by the Qur'an to seek knowledge wherever it could be found, they began a huge campaign to acquire the learning of the nations under their rule and naturally turned to translation as the means by which the new sources of knowledge could be accessed

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the translation movement which evolved under Islamic rule was organized and institutionalized. Translation was sponsored and supported by the government and specific institutions, or translation chambers, were set up to initiate and regulate the flow of translations.

I can certainly see how you would find these inconvenient facts "cringeworthy" if you are attempting to prop up the "mindless, zombie muslim" line.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #67 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 5:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

It's not laughable.
Islam's intellectual history is cringeworthy.

What exactly is it about initiating the greatest translation program the world had ever seen - that sparked a great scientific and philosophical flowering do you find "cringeworthy"?

Once again, from the encyclopedia you were so eager to quote before:

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[the arab conquerors] were eager learners. Inspired the richness of the civilizations they were now encountering for the first time, and explicitly encouraged by the Qur'an to seek knowledge wherever it could be found, they began a huge campaign to acquire the learning of the nations under their rule and naturally turned to translation as the means by which the new sources of knowledge could be accessed

When i hear muslims crapping on about the golden age of science which was how many centuries ago it reminds me of those bald fat middle aged men who carry on about how good they were in their youth.

The most recent contributions to science from muslims were how many hundreds of years ago?

If Islamic science was so good why has there been nothing from the Islamic world for the last few hundred years in science?

Australia has bought the Heron remote piloted vehicle (drones) from Israel,do any muslim majority country make aircraft or did they give up after that muslim left a bloodstain on the pavement?

What electronic devices devices have been patented by muslims?none zip zilch?

2 Israelis hold the patent for USB flash drives, how many muslims own USB flash drives while being critical of the yahud?

Your link says arab conquerors, can we use this as evidence of muslims conquering other more advanced societies?

Your link indicates the muslims had fallen behind in the knowledge department and they used conquered cultures to catch up,there has been no conquering by muslims for many hundreds of years could this be why they have fallen behind again?

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Reply #68 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

A question that has a very simple answer.

Lets look at some medical and disease trends with respect to skin cancer shall we?

THe worlds 2nd highest melanoma related skin cancer rate is found in Israel - second only to Australia (non indigenous people statistics only)

Does anybody know why the highest and 2nd highest skin cancer rates in the world are found in Australia and Israel??

Any thoughts?

Any reason why people several hours drive away in occupied Palestine, or Jordan, or Kuwait have far lower skin cancer rates than the general Israeli population?

I wonder what could cause such a spike in skin cancer incidence in Israel and Australia

(another interesting statistic is that Israel (per capita) is the world's highest user of sun screen lotion. What is going on here ladies and gentlemen?)

The important thing to notice in the global skin cancer rate data (below) is that the only nation in the world to come anywhere near Australia and New Zealand is Israel

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Melanoma-rates.png

You should also check out the rates of vitamin D deficiency with this comparison to see the bigger picture.

Why do muslim women suffer from vitamin D deficiency, is the hijab/niqab and body tent the cause?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #69 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 5:09pm:

Your link indicates the muslims had fallen behind in the knowledge department and they used conquered cultures to catch up,there has been no conquering by muslims for many hundreds of years

Evidently we won't be able to add reading comprehension to your many list of talents Baron.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #71 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:55pm

Gandalf struggled over dozens of pages to name a few Islamic contributions to basic science. Eventually he came up with two, neither of them revolutionary. It is pretty well established that the Muslims acquired knowledge that is directly useful and not contradictory to Islam, but left out most of the rest and failed to contribute to basic science in any way that would justify describing it as "a great scientific and philosophical flowering". They were transmitters of knowledge, not contributors. The rise of Islam is perhaps the greatest missed opportunity in the history of science. They had everything they needed for an actual revolution. They came up with nothing.

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Reply #72 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:55pm:

Gandalf struggled over dozens of pages to name a few Islamic contributions to basic science.

No, FD - I struggled over dozens of pages trying to get through to you that your claim that islam "stifled" science is absurd and baseless. And I don't need to provide examples of revolutionary contributions to demonstrate this.

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 7:55pm:

Eventually he came up with two, neither of them revolutionary

Experts disagree with you FD.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Where the Israeil Jews really came from Reply #74 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 9:29pm Karnal wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:27pm: You’ve lost the argument, Sory. Don't be ridiculous, PB. You say I have lost the argument when you have nothing to say except that I have lost the argument. You are ready to perform the shahada, PB. You are now stupid enough.
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