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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #30 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:02am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:21am:
The dhimmis learned Arabic and did the translations. Some converted, many didn't.


Al Kindi was an arab - I'm sure there were many others too.

The point is, the translation movement was an islamically-inspired movement. Funny how the great flourish of translating only happened when the arab/muslims moved in isn't it? What were all those great christian and jew translators you mentioned doing before that? Twiddling their thumbs?

It also destroys another myth I'm sure you are only too happy to propagate: that the dhimmis were not allowed to pursue their own academic interests, and instead were oppressed, force-converted, massacred etc etc. Having jewish and christian philosophers and scientists thriving in the muslim world is just yet another inconvenient truth for you knuckleheads (apologies to Karnal).
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #31 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:44am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 11:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:33pm:
Gandalf had to look pretty hard for a positive spin on this one. Hint: while most Arab countries had to run their Jews out, Afghanistan did it just be being a craphole.


Do you enjoy digging a deeper hole for yourself? You completely made up the claim that Afghanis expelled the jews - you'd be best served not saying any more about it - you just make yourself look even sillier.


Well played Gandalf, well played.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

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From the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951 and amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.[2] 600,000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had reached Israel by 1972.[3][4][5] By the Yom Kippur War of 1973, most of the Jewish communities throughout the Arab World, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan, were practically non-existent.
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #32 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:12am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:32pm:
ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:29pm:
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/pakistani-sisters-shot-dead-after-being-filmed-dancing-outside-their-home/story-fnhrvhol-1226672330529

Muslim sisters murdered foir singing in the rain


TWO teenage sisters have been shot dead for daring to film themselves dancing in the rain and "dishonouring" their family and men in their conservative village.

Noon Basra and Noor Sheza, from Pakistan, were murdered after mobile footage of the girls emerged, outraging their town.

In the footage the sisters, aged 15 and 16, are dressed in traditional clothing and are pictured along with two other younger children in the town of Chilas, in the northern region of Gilgit, News24Online reported.

The girls dance and one of the sisters even smiles for the camera.

But their seemingly innocent crime earned them a death sentence after the footage caused outrage in the conservative town and they were shot dead, alongside their mother, by five gunmen.




No doubt this makes you very happy ian.

After all, you are all for capital punishment.

Sick puppy.






Yet another example.

When the criminal influence of ISLAM, is exposed in some outrage, when some victim(s) are slaughtered for 'offending' ISLAM, who do the moslems and the apologists for moslems condemn ?

ISLAM, ISLAMISTS ?

No.





Moslems and the [non-moslem] apologists for moslems
are supporters of ISLAM.


Moslems and the [non-moslem] apologists for moslems, condemn only those who try to expose ISLAM's wrong doing and criminal influence in the world.

And what is apparent is that moslems and the [non-moslem] apologists for moslems, always, always, always, excuse ISLAM's criminal wrong doing in the world.

Q.
Why does ISLAM find such support among some people ?

A.
Because to many men today, the truth about ISLAM's motives and methods is unimportant.
What ISLAM [as a 'vehicle'] can achieve for them, is what is important.
'Eyes on the prize.'




We should always ask ourselves, again and again;
When it is clearly apparent [to any thinking and reasoning person], that the philosophy ISLAM, has a deleterious influence in the world [and a deleterious influence upon the psyche of men!],
WHY DO SO MANY MEN NEVERTHELESS CHOOSE TO EXCUSE, FOLLOW AND SUPPORT ISLAM ?


Meditate upon an answer to that question.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #33 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:44am
 
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always always always


And there you go, G. There’s the Y script. It hasn’t deviated for years. Every post the same.

It’s reassuring, really. I, for one, admire the ability to forget that you’ve posted the same reply to every post, with overwealming evidence that you’re talking absolute crap, day after day after day.

Keep up the good work, Y.
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Reply #34 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:06am
 
The influence of ISLAM, in the Koran;


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111i
The influence of ISLAM, in the Hadith;


"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260i
The influence of ISLAM, in the homes of moslems;


...

Quote:
February 18, 2008
UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love"

......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.
"America kill," said the boy.
"Who else you kill?" said Khan.
"Bush I kill," said the boy.
"And who else?" demanded Khan.
"Blair kill, both people kill."
"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.
"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.
Then the pair began chanting at each other.
Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar---...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xmli
The influence of ISLAM, in the mosque;


IMAGE...
...
Quote:
August 4, 2005      
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htmi
The influence of ISLAM, on the streets of our cities;


IMAGE...
...
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.




IMAGE...
...
London, mainstream moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




IMAGE...
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In London, and all over the world, moslem parents are instilling a criminally hateful mindset, into their children.
From the breast to school, moslems are teaching their children, to hate those who reject ISLAM's influence upon their lives.
And moslems, and moslem parents, are poisoning the minds of their own children in this way, on purpose!









And i ask a simple question;

"Can the anti-islam crowd be taken seriously?"


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #35 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:18am
 
Vintage Y. A classic.

He writes them all from scratch, you know.
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #36 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:34am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 1:02am:
Having jewish and christian philosophers and scientists thriving in the muslim world is just yet another inconvenient truth for you knuckleheads (apologies to Karnal).



One of the most senior IDF officers is a Arab Israeli.

Arab Muslims in the disputed territories are offered full Israeli rights like Jews - but they refuse them.

Israel is a classic example of offering with the hand of friendship.

Now tell me why over 20 countries in the Muslim world ban me from entering based only on my passport?
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Reply #37 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam?


Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard.

That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims).


- the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".





As moslems [i.e. all members of a moslem community] become more numerous and confident, moslems always increasingly begin to use 'protest', threats of violence, and acts of violence, in an attempt to intimidate non-moslem authorities and the broader non-moslem host community.

And whenever non-moslem host community actively resists these 'protests', threats of violence, and acts of violence, the moslems always portray moslems as 'victims'.

A few examples of how when non-moslem societies resist moslem threats, and violence, it is "not fair".


Quote:
The Netherlands muslim intifada of October, 2007
"...a Muslim youth entered a police station and began stabbing two police officers.
One of them, after having been stabbed multiple times, shot him to death.
Rioting has followed."

Google

In the item above, in a JIHADIST action a JIHADIST decided to enter a police station and to stab a police officer, BECAUSE SHE WAS A POLICE OFFICER.
The JIHADIST was then shot dead by the police officer.
And the response by the Dutch moslem community ?
Moslem street riots.



Quote:
January 29, 2008
UK: Man Admits Plotting To Behead Muslim Soldier
"......Adam Mussa of the Muslim Brotherhood-founded Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) claimed: "Some of the people arrested are just individuals with loud voices, who are vocal about various neighborhood issues, but that doesn't make them terrorists. It's not fair. This seems to be happening again and again. This is a form of victimization and your average 'Mo Public' is feeling very cynical....."
.....The Muslim community "representatives" should be censured for their overstated reactions last January and February. There WAS a terror plot to kidnap and kill a Muslim soldier. These representatives tried to use the media to discredit a necessary police operation which aimed to prevent the killing and beheading of a known Muslim soldier. They also exploited this case to dishonestly push their own agenda, to whine about Muslim victimhood by the state."

Google


Quote:
February 2nd, 2007
UK: Muslims respond to jihad terror arrests with paranoia, talk of plots against them
Instead of cheering for the arrests of jihad terror plotters. “Plots and paranoia are mainstream views for Muslims of Sparkbrook,” by Andrew Norfolk in the TimesOnline, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
.......To wander the streets of Sparkbrook yesterday, from shabby corner shop to proud, white-domed mosque, was to enter a world where conspiracy theories are the breath of life. Many ordinary Muslims did not believe that Wednesday’s arrests were an act to foil a terrorist plot aiming to visit unspeakable barbarity on a young British soldier.
Rather the entire operation was a giant con trick. This fits a growing perception of a post-9/11 world in which innocent Muslims are demonised, and the terror threat manufactured to suit the dark designs of the West’s Judaeo-Christian elite.

Google



Quote:
February 01, 2007
UK: Muslim fury over arrests
You would think that the Vast Majority of Peaceful, Loyal Muslims™ in Britain would be applauding these arrests, and all efforts to eradicate the jihad terrorist presence from their community.
......"Every time they're coming into Muslim areas, blasting open their doors ... They wouldn't like it if they dragged their mum and dad out of bed in the middle of the night. They're scum," says Khan, spitting on the pavement.
......"Police arrested nine mostly Pakistani-origin suspects yesterday, to foil an alleged "Iraq-style" kidnap and beheading plot...."
......Comments [by visitors to this jihadwatch.org page]:
"It's the same old same old and everyone knows what side they are on.
......"Every time they're coming into Muslim areas..." that's the phrase that really jumped out to me. The Muslim mindset in the UK and elsewhere is largely about the acquisition of territory and then submission of people in that territory and then acquisition of more territory."
......"maryrose, ....You just don’t understand the requirements of sensitive policing of a rich and diverse multi-cultural society!
The police should raid Christians, Jews, Blacks, Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witness’s etc. etc. etc. etc. in direct proportion to the % of the population make up! Instead they keep picking on Muslims!"

Google
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #38 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:56am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:34am:
One of the most senior IDF officers is a Arab Israeli.


You need to explain this to the knuckleheads. They can't grasp the idea that muslims can integrate successfully into non-muslim society. But from your experience with the Israeli arabs, you would surely disagree no?

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:44am:
Well played Gandalf, well played.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries


Well played FD - you quoted an article that says the jewish population left Afghanistan. Nowhere does it say they were expelled. The article I quoted previously says they weren't. You completely made up that little smear on Afghani muslims.

Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am:
As moslems [i.e. all members of a moslem community] become more numerous and confident...


...Soren makes up fairy tales about sinister muslim behaviours - and Yadda is there to defend him.. by.. err ranting on about something completely unrelated.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #39 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 11:04am
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:18am:
Vintage Y. A classic.

He writes them all from scratch, you know.




K,

But you always deny the importance of, or ignore, the content.

All you ever do, is criticise people like myself, for the act of presenting this information.

Very rarely will you address the issue, or the content of my posts.

Why is that ?



Why is your only criticism, against me.

Why don't you address the 'errors', in the material and arguments that i present ?




K,

You support ISLAM.

You defend ISLAM.

ISLAM encourages the murder and oppression of people.

But you, defend ISLAM.



[I'm not talking about moslems....]

You will not even acknowledge that there is any fault or error, in ISLAM.

You will not even admit that ['mainstream'] ISLAM, as a philosophy, deserves censure.


Why is that, K ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #40 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 11:26am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:56am:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:34am:
One of the most senior IDF officers is a Arab Israeli.


You need to explain this to the knuckleheads. They can't grasp the idea that muslims can integrate successfully into non-muslim society. But from your experience with the Israeli arabs, you would surely disagree no?


This man is one of my heroes and is Arab-Israeli.

Lt Colonel Amos Yarkoni or Abd el-Majid Hidr.

1948 War
Six Day War

Awarded Medal of Distinguished Service to IDF (3. Highest award)
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Reply #41 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:10pm
 
take note Yadda
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #42 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 11:04am:
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:18am:
Vintage Y. A classic.

He writes them all from scratch, you know.




K,

But you always deny the importance of, or ignore, the content.

All you ever do, is criticise people like myself, for the act of presenting this information.

Very rarely will you address the issue, or the content of my posts.

Why is that ?



Why is your only criticism, against me.

Why don't you address the 'errors', in the material and arguments that i present ?




K,

You support ISLAM.

You defend ISLAM.

ISLAM encourages the murder and oppression of people.

But you, defend ISLAM.



[I'm not talking about moslems....]

You will not even acknowledge that there is any fault or error, in ISLAM.

You will not even admit that ['mainstream'] ISLAM, as a philosophy, deserves censure.


Why is that, K ?



Why is what, Y?

I took issue with plenty of Abu’s posts. I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything.

I have answered all your questions to me here and addressed their content time and time again. Repeatedly.

I shouldn’t have to rebut the same Jihadwatch quotes and photos endlessly. They’re so old now they’re fading from wear.

Write something new, or better yet, go out and experience something new. In the real world. If you can tell me one thing that’s happened to you personally, I’ll kiss your feet.

The rest, as they say in court, is hearsay.

Case dismissed.
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Reply #43 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:48pm
 
The influence of ISLAM, in the Koran;


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

What the Koran says, has nothing to do with ISLAM - CASE DISMISSED.








The influence of ISLAM, in the Hadith;


"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

What the Hadith says, has nothing to do with ISLAM - CASE DISMISSED.








The influence of ISLAM, in the homes of moslems;


...

Quote:
February 18, 2008
UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love"

......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.
"America kill," said the boy.
"Who else you kill?" said Khan.
"Bush I kill," said the boy.
"And who else?" demanded Khan.
"Blair kill, both people kill."
"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.
"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.
Then the pair began chanting at each other.
Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar---...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml

What 'bad' moslems do, while inspired by ISLAM, has nothing to do with ISLAM - CASE DISMISSED.




Karnal supports ISLAM, and good moslems, because ISLAM only encourages good in the world - moslems told him so.


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Reply #44 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 4:24pm
 
Another 5 year old story and picture. Proving what, exactly?

Still, I agree with your post. What the Koran says DOES have little bearing on the lives of millions of Muslims. Shall I tell you why, Y?

Because what your prophet Yeheshua said has no noticable effect on you.

Blessed are the peacemakers, Y, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of Gud.
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