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Reply #45 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
Let’s have some proof, shall we? Let’s ask G.

G, are you there? Please tell us, as a despicable Moslem, do you tell children to kill George Bush? Do you hypnotize them into a murderous frenzy, where they can only repeat one word, kill?

Tell the truth now, Moslem, we don’t want any nonsense from the likes of you.

And don’t try to hypnotize us. We know your tricks. We’ve seen it all before.

Y posted an article from Jihadwatch.
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Reply #46 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:23pm
 
K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied.

But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5.

Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #47 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm:
I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything.




That's very big of you, PB.

The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology.

Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam.

But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it.

And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both.



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Reply #48 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam?


Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard.

That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims).


- the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".


Maybe he was a Morisco, maybe a convert to Islam. There is no evidence he wasn't a Muslim. His name or other details have not been released. It cannot be ruled out.

And until his national origin was revealed (a few days after the event) all everyone had was: 80% Muslim area, guy wielding machete, domestic dispute. Now we know he was Portugese, which of course doesn't negate the other three bits (Muslim area, machete, domestic).






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Reply #49 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:10pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:01pm:
here is no evidence he wasn't a Muslim. His name or other details have not been released. It cannot be ruled out.


Therefore better to assume that he was - and invent an entire scenario about him threatening to honour kill his family with the kitchen knife. Makes sense.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #50 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm:
I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything.




That's very big of you, PB.

The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology.

Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam.

But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it.

And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both.





Even more significant than the direct or indirect support for violence is the willful erosion of human rights and freedoms. The freedom we enjoy puts us in a global minority. There is not one Muslim dominated country that even comes close to our standards, and most are at the opposite end of the spectrum, especially in Islam's heartland. Furthermore, while most of the backwards places on earth are rapidly moving forward, Islam is a stagnating force. This is not some kind of accident of recent historical forces. It is linked directly to Muhammed. No other religious leader in history killed as many people as Mo did. He was a political and military leader, just as much as a religious leader. Islam is a political and military ideology, as much as a religious one. The cover of religion allows it to get away with a lot more than similar political and military ideologies like Nazism.
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #51 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:30pm
 
FD, the brutality of all islamic governments in the islamic world in the post-war period, pales compared to the bloodshed of generations of secular dictatorships.

Thankfully, the islamic world is starting to get rid of these - thanks in no small part to the rise of political islam, which is proving not to be the bogeyman people like you have been promising it would be.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #52 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:02pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:
K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied.

But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5.

Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!


There you go, Y. You see? Nothing to see here.

You’ve scared them all off.
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #53 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:08pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm:
I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything.




That's very big of you, PB.

The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology.

Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam.

But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it.

And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both.





Marvellous stuff, old boy, but it doesn’t answer the question that started this thread.

If the Muselmen are so intent on blowing things up in the name of Allah Uakbar, well not that that’s the problem - so ideologically and politically and ethically tiresome - why do you need to make stuff up?

Shurely shome mishtake, eh?
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #54 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam?


Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard.

That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims).


- the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".


Maybe he was a Morisco, maybe a convert to Islam. There is no evidence he wasn't a Muslim. His name or other details have not been released. It cannot be ruled out.



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Reply #55 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 4:24pm:
Another 5 year old story and picture. Proving what, exactly?

Still, I agree with your post. What the Koran says DOES have little bearing on the lives of millions of Muslims. Shall I tell you why, Y?

Because what your prophet Yeheshua said has no noticable effect on you.

Blessed are the peacemakers, Y, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of Gud.





Yes, K,

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.




Compared to what the Koran urges.....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29






Yeshua's influence upon me ?

I always forgive people K, especially if they say sorry for their mistakes.

But if a person seeks to harm me [or someone i love], i would probably respond to such intentions 'instinctively' [because i am not a perfected being].



K,

Should Australia disband our police forces, and our defence forces ?

Should Australia close our law courts, and close all our prisons, and release all of the inmates [of those prisons] into the community ?

Would that be a wise thing to do ?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #56 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:58pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:30pm:
FD, the brutality of all islamic governments in the islamic world in the post-war period, pales compared to the bloodshed of generations of secular dictatorships.

Thankfully, the islamic world is starting to get rid of these - thanks in no small part to the rise of political islam, which is proving not to be the bogeyman people like you have been promising it would be.




Yes, Morsi and his Moslem Brotherhood [in Egypt] have really raised societal standards haven't they ?      Tongue

NOT.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #57 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:14pm
 
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FD, the brutality of all islamic governments in the islamic world in the post-war period, pales compared to the bloodshed of generations of secular dictatorships.


Are you going to compare Islam to Nazism for us? Islam is better than some other types of dictatorship, therefor Islam is not a stagnating force that undermines the march of freedom and democracy - is that your argument?

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Thankfully, the islamic world is starting to get rid of these


Right, it is replacing secular oppression with Islamic oppression. Well done.
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Reply #58 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:25pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:
K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied.

But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5.

Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!




Western security services around the world have enlisted >> moslem << academics, and are being advised by >> moslem << academics, on how to counter moslem 'extremists' in their societies.

Dumb.


And Western security services around the world have been encouraged to recruit >> moslems << into the ranks of Western security services, so that those >> moslem << recruits can glean intelligence threat from moslem 'extremists' in their non-moslem societies.

Dumb.




"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231



Moslem academics ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.i

The Specter of Muslim Disloyalty in America
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At this point, one may justly ask: if Muslim disloyalty to non-Muslims is a ubiquitous phenomenon, why are most examples limited to the military? Simple: Islam is primarily concerned with actual deeds; and the military is one of those rare institutions that requires people to demonstrate their loyalty through action, such as, by going to the frontlines and, if need be, combating America's enemies — even if they be one's coreligionists. It is therefore only natural that Muslim loyalty/disloyalty is primarily revealed in military related scenarios, including instrumental support via food or other aid. Concerning this latter, Muhammad said, "One [Muslim] who equips a person on his way to raid [the enemy's camps] in Allah's path [jihad] is considered to have the same status as the raider [jihadist]." The willing Muslim financial enabler of the infidel American soldier thus acquires the same infidel status.

As for all other instances that require Muslims to indicate their loyalty, the doctrine of taqiyya, which revolves around deceiving non-Muslims, offers relief, and is in fact essential for Muslim minorities living in America who want to uphold the doctrine of loyalty and enmity. Indeed, the Koran's primary justification for deception is in the context of loyalty: "Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels [non-Muslims] instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah — unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions" (Koran 3:28). Tabari explains this verse: "Only when you are in their [non-Muslims'] power, fearing for yourselves, are you to demonstrate friendship for them with your tongues, while harboring hostility toward them. But do not join them in the particulars of their infidelities, and do not aid them through any action against a Muslim."

In other words, when necessary, Muslims are permitted to feign friendship and loyalty to non-Muslims, or, in the words of Abu Darda, a pious companion of Muhammad, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." Nearly fourteen-hundred years after these faithless words were uttered, American Muslim Tarik Shah, who was arrested for terrorist-related charges, echoed them in boast: "I could be joking and smiling [with infidels] and then cutting their throats in the next second."

.....far less than .1% of America's Muslims will ever be required to enlist in the U.S. military and deploy to Muslim nations. Yet this is the only scenario that determines [i.e. that openly demonstrates to an infidel!] whether Muslim loyalties lie with fellow Muslims or with fellow, albeit infidel, citizens.



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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #59 - Jul 2nd, 2013 at 8:55pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 4:24pm:
Another 5 year old story and picture. Proving what, exactly?

Still, I agree with your post. What the Koran says DOES have little bearing on the lives of millions of Muslims. Shall I tell you why, Y?

Because what your prophet Yeheshua said has no noticable effect on you.

Blessed are the peacemakers, Y, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of Gud.





Yes, K,

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.




Compared to what the Koran urges.....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29






Yeshua's influence upon me ?

I always forgive people K, especially if they say sorry for their mistakes.

But if a person seeks to harm me [or someone i love], i would probably respond to such intentions 'instinctively' [because i am not a perfected being].



K,

Should Australia disband our police forces, and our defence forces ?

Should Australia close our law courts, and close all our prisons, and release all of the inmates [of those prisons] into the community ?

Would that be a wise thing to do ?




Y, do you really expect a person like K to answer that question seriously?

No one has attacked you. You have nothing to forgive. You’re free to be called the children of Gud.

Do you think we should get rid of all niceness, Y? Manners? Mutual respect?

Would that be a wise thing to do?
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