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Reply #75 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 5:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 3:02pm:
Adamant wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:
No Kernal it is blessed are the CHEESE MAKERS. Please try to keep up, I know muslim girls are not allowed an education but your ignorance is pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slbMe-aTY1A#t=10s


Quite right. Still, effende, we are taught to kill, you must admit that.

Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:48pm:
......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.
"America kill," said the boy.
"Who else you kill?" said Khan.
"Bush I kill," said the boy.
"And who else?" demanded Khan.
"Blair kill, both people kill."
"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.
"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.
Then the pair began chanting at each other.
Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."[/color][/i]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar---...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml
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You left off the punchline, PB.

Khan said: "Kuffar"
the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]"
and the boy said: "Kill."

Khan and boy hold hands,  in unison:
"And, hey Mister, bakshish gimme and make it lotsa lotsa."
Chorus: ' Oh yeah, or else'"

Curtain.

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Reply #76 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
Muslims do make lives difficult for themselves with their fanatics and the refusing of mainstream Muslim world to speak out against them.

This is why they have the problems they do and the perception of people they do.
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #77 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 8:19pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 5:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 3:02pm:
Adamant wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:
No Kernal it is blessed are the CHEESE MAKERS. Please try to keep up, I know muslim girls are not allowed an education but your ignorance is pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slbMe-aTY1A#t=10s


Quite right. Still, effende, we are taught to kill, you must admit that.

Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:48pm:
......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.
"America kill," said the boy.
"Who else you kill?" said Khan.
"Bush I kill," said the boy.
"And who else?" demanded Khan.
"Blair kill, both people kill."
"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.
"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.
Then the pair began chanting at each other.
Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."[/color][/i]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar---...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml



You left off the punchline, PB.

Khan said: "Kuffar"
the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]"
and the boy said: "Kill."

Khan and boy hold hands,  in unison:
"And, hey Mister, bakshish gimme and make it lotsa lotsa."
Chorus: ' Oh yeah, or else'"

Curtain.

[/quote]

Wonderful. An excellent end to the story, old chap. You have quite a hand for story telling, no?

Mister, buy my statue!

Postcard, please to buy!

Guide?

Come come!

Look in my shop!

Carpet, sir! Lamp!

Hashish? Brown sugar?

Taxi!

Lady?

Ah, the sinister mind of the Muselman. He never stops.






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Reply #78 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 8:45am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Muslims do make lives difficult for themselves with their fanatics and the refusing of mainstream Muslim world to speak out against them.

This is why they have the problems they do and the perception of people they do.


And jews are angels are they?
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Reply #79 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:32am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:
K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied.

But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5.

Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!




People who sound a warning to the world about the intentions and methods of ISLAM, are now barred from entry to the UK.

n.b.
TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, AND ITS INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD, IS NOW DEEMED TO BE 'HATE SPEECH' AGAINST MOSLEMS.

...





...
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer have been denied entry to Britain.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/06/a-gross-double-standard-over...




Over the past several decades, it is has become apparent, that [in the West] many, many of our own politicians [i.e. our servants] [and other community leaders], somehow, and for some reason, seem to have abandoned their obligation to serve the people and institutions [which they have taken oaths to serve and to protect], and instead, they seem to have decided to serve the interests of the members of an alien philosophy - a philosophy which [along with its adherents], openly declares [in its political treatise/book] that it wishes to destroy our societal mores, and to replace those societal mores, with an alien set of values.

Why are our [Western] politicians so openly, so unashamedly, choosing to serve the interests of moslems and ISLAM, to the detriment and harm of the interests and the freedoms of the native peoples of our Western nations ?

Why are our own politicians choosing to do this ?

Why do our own politicians seem to be oblivious, to the dangers which a philosophy like ISLAM poses to our way of life, and our very existence as a free people ?

Are our own politicians really so ignorant and really so intellectually incompetent, as to blindly surrender political authority in our societies, to a group of people who [although they pretend to be benign] are religious bigots and political fascists ?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?
Reply #80 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:36am
 
Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK.

Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #81 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK.

Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.


Who cares let them come in.

Wilders came to Australia few months ago, did he bring any positive change to Australia? Did people leave islam?

He was lucky to get couple hundred people to his lectures.

And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam.
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Reply #82 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am:
And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on
one
of his party members converted to islam.


The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam.

Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death
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Reply #83 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:51pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK.

Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.


I do. The UK has traditionally been a refuge for those exiles with uncomfortable views. Sh!t stirrers should definitely be kept out in a time of war, but the UK isn't in that situation, no matter what the knuckleheads try to argue.

Jihadwatch should have every right to do speaking tours if they don't break vilification laws. Radical clerics continue to speak out in the UK, and are justly howled down. To me, banning Jihadwatch reads as appeasing the Muslim community. I would prefer that this "community" had the opportunity to mount an argument against Jihadwatch's more ridiculous claims.

In my experience, extremist groups only speak to the converted, The danger here is that the converted feel compelled to commit violence. Europe has a huge problem with football violence, particularly in Eastern Europe. Much of this is now being directed at Muslim immigrants. Well, ANY immigrants. Crowds don't discriminate, as we saw in the Cronulla riots.

I'm not sure if speakers like Geert Wilders, Jihadwatch, etc, speak to this audience, but their presence justifies it. Also, these groups integrate and form power blocks - the Republican Party/Christian lobby in the US; the British National Party and various fringe groups in the UK. Due to their networking, fundraising and propaganda, these groups have entered into the mainstream. Groups like Jihadwatch form an opportunity for rallying the faithful, and while this may well be dangerous to democracy, it's part of democracy. It's how democracy functions.

The big difference, of course, is their tactics. You've outlined them in this thread and the old boy has articulated them well: joining the dots. This is how power and knowledge is organized, but in this case, it's a form of knowledge based on lies.

And look how hard they are to challenge - you can expose the lie, but they'll say it refers to an abstract truth. Y and the old boy even blame the lies on the source of the "truth". It's their fault for being Moslems. They deserve it. Tit for tat.

As impossible as it is, I don't think banning the lies i(or their dissemination) is the way to stop them. They just have to be chipped away at, one by one. They have to be questioned, fact-checked, sourced. I'm continually amazed at how willing people are to accept the most ridiculous proposals. The suspension of disbelief is often staggering, based as it is on abstract visual media like Fox News, viral emails and internet hate sites. The medium is the message.

Call me old fashioned, but how can these groups be banned? Jihadwatch is far more powerful on the internet than it would ever be on a speaker's podium in the UK. A few hundred seats at some conservative think-tank function versus millions on the net.

Back in the 1950s, Australia had a similar debate when Menzies tried to ban the Communist Party. Menzies believed that the Cold War would inevitably heat up. Banning the Communist Party was akin to banning German or Japanese nationalists during WWII.

The Communist Party won the referendum because the electorate believed people should have a right to organize and say what they want. As dangerous as the hate groups may be, they deserve the same privilege.

The more you try to suppress them, the more powerful they become. The British Home Office will only turn such groups into martyrs by banning their entry to the UK. As insidious as they are, their freedom of speech should be defended.

Same for Geerty, same for the Muselmen. No one has the right to not be offended, isn't it?
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Reply #84 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:51pm
 
Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?

Answer: "Yes we CAN!"

"Ye shall know them by their works"

HERE is a Muslim who had an epiphany on the way to becoming a terrorist.

He did a backflip when he realised he was barking up the wrong tree.

Nowadays he lectures against Islamic fundamentalism and AGAINST anti-America and the West.

He's a very brave young Muslim. It takes a lot of guts to risk life-and-limb to the nutters.

He's a good man.

Maajid Nawaz

And the lesson for YOU here, Mr al-Gandalfi, is not to be so quick to leap to defend against anything said of a negative nature about Muslim attitudes and behaviour.

Maajid Nawaz wants Muslim supremacists to be exposed for who and what they really are ~~ the enemies of democracy and freedom of speech.

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Reply #85 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 1:25pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm:
shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am:
And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on
one
of his party members converted to islam.


The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam.

Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death


Nice try, old chap, but Egypt doesn't have a death penalty for apostasy. Torture, beheading, killing - all illegal in Egypt. At present, polls are also showing support for its introduction for apostasy as 64% - who's right?

As usual, your dots-joining is a little more complicated:

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At least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%), Tunisia (67%), Iraq (68%), Guinea Bissau (72%) and Indonesia (78%). On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists.

Sixty-seven percent of Egyptians are worried about “religious extremist groups” in their country, and meanwhile almost exactly the same number support killing people for leaving Islam.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/pew-64-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-su...

A strange paradox, but one found in Australia when it comes to the debate over the death penalty:

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A 2005 Bulletin poll showed that most Australians supported capital punishment. The Australian National University's 2007 Electoral Survey found that 44 per cent of people thought the death penalty should be reintroduced - 38 per cent disagreed. Australia may not have the death penalty, but a sizeable part of the population supports its return.


http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/no-death-penalty-no-shades-of-grey-201003...

Shades of grey?

Absolutely. Never ever. Ever. On stilts.
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Reply #86 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 2:31pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm:
shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am:
And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on
one
of his party members converted to islam.


The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam.

Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam.
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Whats your post got to do with what I said?

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Reply #87 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 3:03pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 2:31pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm:
shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am:
And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on
one
of his party members converted to islam.


The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam.

Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam.
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Whats your post got to do with what I said?



He's saying see what would happen in the Islamic world if
one
Muselman tried to convert to Geerty.

Basically, nothing, but he wants you to know that "87%" of people think it should.
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Reply #88 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 4:42pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK.

Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.


I have none also Gandalf bugger off back to Arabia kuffer! Take your ilk with you whilst at it
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Reply #89 - Jul 4th, 2013 at 6:35pm
 
back to?

I don't believe I've ever set foot in Arabia
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