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Re: Sophie's Slip
Reply #90 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:56am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:54am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

yeah, like our sovereignty is under threat ...... seriously now, that's your argument?

What a "progressive" thinks about this and what the average Australian thinks are worlds apart. A "progressive" probably wouldn't care if 50 million rocked up. But the average Australian does. Whether or not you think they are immoral changes nothing.

Again, your grammar is very poor. You sound like a 13 year old attempting to act "cool" with his friends: It's like ... you know ... just so ... wrong, man! These people ... man ... should do want they want ... man ... and not worry about what people think; like, you know?

do you know what pathetic sounds like

(I'll give you a clue, read your last post)

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Sophie's Slip
Reply #91 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:58am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:12am:

Border sovereignty isn't a minor issue, nor is spending billions of dollars on uninvited people.

Border sovereignty isn't the issue.

Money isn't the issue.

People drowning is the issue.

Interesting to see where your priorities lie.

What is your solution to the issue?

I wish I had one.

Obviously we need to stop them getting on the boats in the first place.

Achieving that isn't as easy at it sounds.

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Re: Sophie's Slip
Reply #92 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:12am:

Border sovereignty isn't a minor issue, nor is spending billions of dollars on uninvited people.

Border sovereignty isn't the issue.

Money isn't the issue.

People drowning is the issue.

Interesting to see where your priorities lie.

RUBBISH,

$5 billion spent on these country shoppers.
that could have saved literally 100,000 african kids who are innocent.

damm these selfish country shoppers .
they are economic up graders, carr said it greg, think he was lying.

i care far more for starving kids then drowning selfish fools.
send the money to africa. let the fools fend for themselves.

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Re: Sophie's Slip
Reply #93 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:00am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:12am:

Border sovereignty isn't a minor issue, nor is spending billions of dollars on uninvited people.

Border sovereignty isn't the issue.

Money isn't the issue.

People drowning is the issue.

Interesting to see where your priorities lie.

RUBBISH,

No. People (including children) drowning is the issue.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139350 Gender:	Re: Sophie's Slip Reply #94 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:01am aquascoot wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:58am: $5 billion spent on these country shoppers. that could have saved literally 100,000 african kids who are innocent. Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent.
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Reply #95 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:01am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:58am:

$5 billion spent on these country shoppers.
that could have saved literally 100,000 african kids who are innocent.

Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent.

Who takes their money and puts them on totally unseaworthy "boats", yes the people smugglers, and who encourages the people smugglers because of weak border protection as a result of piss poor pathetic labor government policies?

Yes, the labor government is responsible for the drownings of these people because of their incompetence and apathy. It has been more concerned with holding onto government and making excuses than protecting Australia's borders.

Peccahead, you really need to think before opening your big mouth.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139350 Gender:	Re: Sophie's Slip Reply #96 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:18am Socrates wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:13am: Peccahead, you really need to think before opening your big mouth. I did think. Result: my comment was 100% correct. "Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent."
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Socrates Gold Member Offline A Dog With A Bone Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Sophie's Slip Reply #97 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24am Tell that to the people smugglers who KRUDD & GILLARD have encouraged through their incompetence.
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Reply #98 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:27am

Socrates wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24am:

Tell that to the people smugglers who KRUDD & GILLARD have encouraged through their incompetence.

I think the people smugglers already know that children on asylum seeker boats are innocent.

They take their payment from the adults, not the children.

However, if you think it will help:

Attention people smugglers! - "Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent."

There we go.

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Re: Sophie's Slip
Reply #99 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:27am:

Socrates wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24am:

Tell that to the people smugglers who KRUDD & GILLARD have encouraged through their incompetence.

I think the people smugglers already know that children on asylum seeker boats are innocent.

They take their payment from the adults, not the children.

However, if you think it will help:

Attention people smugglers! - "Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent."

There we go.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-04/powerful-people-smugglers-caught-living-in...

IDIOT!

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Re: Sophie's Slip
Reply #100 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:44am

Socrates wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:27am:

Socrates wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24am:

Tell that to the people smugglers who KRUDD & GILLARD have encouraged through their incompetence.

I think the people smugglers already know that children on asylum seeker boats are innocent.

They take their payment from the adults, not the children.

However, if you think it will help:

Attention people smugglers! - "Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent."

There we go.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-04/powerful-people-smugglers-caught-living-in...

How does that link change the fact that children on asylum seeker boats are innocent?

Border sovereignty isn't the issue.

Money isn't the issue.

People drowning is the issue.

Children on asylum seeker boats are innocent.

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De-registered User Gold Member Offline Posts: 1029	Re: Sophie's Slip Reply #101 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:51am The issue in reality is really our policy on boat people, we either stop them once and for all or make our boarders redundant. For me, I'm with John Howard 'We decide who comes to our country" I say "STOP THE BOATS!" and if it provokes war, "SHOW ME WHERE TO GO TO GET TO THE FRONT LINE"
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Reply #102 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:00am

People smugglers set up business in Australia

The ABC has revealed that people smugglers connected with a deadly disaster at sea are now residing in Australia under refugee visas. A Four Corners investigation has uncovered evidence that at least six experienced people smugglers came to Australia by boat, won refugee status and were released from detention to cities across Australia. At least some of them went on to set up lucrative people-smuggling deals from inside Australia. The man behind establishing people smugglers in Australia, Abu Ali al Kuwaiti, is also linked to an asylum boat that disappeared on its way to Australia.

In November 2010, 97 men, women and children boarded a fishing boat in North Jakarta, but disappeared on the ocean, never to be heard from again. The passengers were mostly from Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

No-one knows the name of the lost boat or reported it missing, and the people smugglers who sent the boat lied about the loss to collect final payments from the relatives. The operation was run by a network of agents working for Abu Ali al Kuwaiti, who is based in Indonesia, and another smuggler.

In this few years ... there is many, many smugglers or agents, they enter Australia, and now they live in Australia. At the beginning of 2010, Abu Ali al Kuwaiti and other top Iraqi smugglers met in Jakarta to discuss expanding their business in Australia. They planned to send a group of their best operators to Australia by boat.

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Reply #103 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:01am

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Two inside sources have confirmed that among those at the meeting was powerful smuggler, Captain Emad, also known as Abu Khalid, who is now based in Canberra.

The sources say also present were Mohammad Basrawi and his brother Watheq, and Abdullah al Sharifi, also known as Abu Mishal, who is from Yemen and claims to be 36.

"Emad, he's the head of the smugglers, he's the head of the snake. He's very clever, and all the technique of the other smugglers, even we can call them famous smugglers in Indonesia or Malaysia, all of them under his technique," he said.

The plan was an audacious one - to send the agents and a smuggler all on one boat posing as genuine asylum seekers.

The smugglers pooled their expertise on how to avoid detection on the way and to deceive the Australian authorities once they arrive.

According to Border Protection Command, Captain Emad's boat was intercepted on January 13, 2010, five nautical miles north of Christmas Island.

The authorities did not uncover his deception and the boat was listed as having 43 passengers and no crew.

Once on Christmas Island, Captain Emad's plan to become an Australian resident continued without a hitch. Emad, he's the head of the smugglers, he's the head of the snake. He's very clever. He had brought his daughter-in-law and her young child with him on the boat, so they were moved to the family compound to await interviews with the Department of Immigration.

Four Corners understands the name Emad used to enter Australia was Ali al Abassi.

On April 20, 2010, only three months after the boat arrived, the Department of Immigration gave Emad a protection visa and Australian residence. He was one of the first passengers on the boat to be released from detention.

Four Corners can reveal Captain Emad then set up base in Canberra.

His wife, three adult children and their dependents all got refugee status as well - using different names from those they used in Malaysia and Indonesia.

Captain Emad's wife lives in Kaleen, while his daughters live in Lyneham and Dunlop. His son lives in Hawker.

The adults were all provided with public housing.

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Reply #104 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:02am

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According to members of the family, they claimed their father had died in Iraq.

When Four Corners tracked Captain Emad down at the Gungahlin shopping centre in north Canberra, the successful perfume shop owner and top Iraqi people smuggler was giving every appearance of leading a modest life, supervising trolleys.

He refused to answer questions, saying not to disturb him.

Another of the men at the original meeting in Jakarta - Abdullah al Sharifi - got his protection visa and Australian residence after nine months. He celebrated his new status with other passengers from the boat at Sydney Harbour.

According to passengers on Emad's boat, in detention in Australia, Abdullah al Sharifi talked openly about his work as a smuggler with Captain Emad in Malaysia and Indonesia.
"He said, 'I was with Captain Emad in Malaysia. He brought me here for free and we work together at this smuggling business'," passenger Rahim said. It is not clear what Captain Emad told Australian immigration officials to convince them he was a genuine refugee in need of protection. What is known is that before he set up shop in Indonesia, he had spent a large portion of his life in downtown Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.

His legitimate business in Malaysia was perfume. By 2005 he owned four perfume shops in Kuala Lumpur and he still owns at least one.

He had also previously worked as a ship's captain, moving freight around Asia.

Captain Emad is well known in Bokit Bintang and other shopkeepers were quite open about his whereabouts, telling Four Corners he and his whole family were now in Australia.

Everyone defended about the boats, asylum seekers, smugglers - some of them make them heroes. But no-one defended the women and the children who lost their life in the sea.

Having discovered the Iraqi smuggling boss had successfully relocated to Australia, Four Corners turned its attention to finding Captain Emad and his agents. Working with Four Corners, as he did in Indonesia in 2010, Hussain Nasir was determined to expose the networks operating in his newly adopted country. "In this few years ... there is many, many smugglers or agents, they enter Australia, and now they live in Australia," he said.

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