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So which is it?
Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:02am

Over the last few days, I have heard all the liberal monkeys on here and on television interviews, claiming that

1 - the labor caucus got rid of Rudd because he was dysfunctional, and they couldn't work with him

2 - in the same breath, they claim that Rudd was removed as PM because Abbott is some sort of master tactician, and they feared Rudd would lose the election .

So which is it? Was he removed because labor caucus couldn't work with him, or was he removed because they feared Abbott? You cannot have it both ways.

Once you've made up your mind, can you please use that excuse, and stop changing your stories with each post. It only makes you look desperate.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26137 Gender:	Re: So which is it? Reply #1 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:12am Simple. Answer: both. Abbott had Rudd under intense pressure and he couldn't handle it. He became a dictatorial control freak and was quite paranoid. So he basically became a one-man government. The results speak for themselves - the ALP plummeted in the polls and he got knifed.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: So which is it? Reply #2 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:34am I think more that Abbott had Rudd under intense pressure and his party couldn't handle it. And the same thing happened last week, only Julia contributed to that as much as Abbott.
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Re: So which is it?
Reply #3 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:43am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:12am:

Simple. Answer: both. Abbott had Rudd under intense pressure and he couldn't handle it. He became a dictatorial control freak and was quite paranoid. So he basically became a one-man government. The results speak for themselves - the ALP plummeted in the polls and he got knifed.

You don't suddenly turn into a dictatorial paranoid control freak, you either are one or not.

You can stop this type of behaviour, with great self control.

If Rudd can do this, he represents a huge threat to the Liberals.

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #4 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:11am

John Smith wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:02am:

Over the last few days, I have heard all the liberal monkeys on here and on television interviews, claiming that

1 - the labor caucus got rid of Rudd because he was dysfunctional, and they couldn't work with him

2 - in the same breath, they claim that Rudd was removed as PM because Abbott is some sort of master tactician, and they feared Rudd would lose the election .

So which is it? Was he removed because labor caucus couldn't work with him, or was he removed because they feared Abbott? You cannot have it both ways.

Once you've made up your mind, can you please use that excuse, and stop changing your stories with each post. It only makes you look desperate.

Labor can't make up its own mind.

24 JUN 2010 - Leadership Ballot - Rudd assassinated by his comrades

Labor believes Rudd was a Dudd Grin

22 Feb 2012 - Resigns as Foreign Minister, Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan lambasted Rudd as "dysfunctional"

Labor believes Rudd was a Dudd Grin

27 Feb 2012 - Leadership ballot Gillard won the leadership election comfortably with 71 votes to Rudd's 31

Labor believes Rudd was a Dudd Grin

21 MAR 2013 - Leadership ballot - Rudd didn't stand.

Labor believes Rudd was a complete Dudd Grin

26 June 2013 - Leadership Ballot - Julia knifed numerous times in the back by her dear comrades

Labor believes Rudd is not a Dudd but he might stop them from political wipeout.....so they turn on their own yet again.
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Re: So which is it?
Reply #5 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:14am

John Smith wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:02am:

Over the last few days, I have heard all the liberal monkeys on here and on television interviews, claiming that

1 - the labor caucus got rid of Rudd because he was dysfunctional, and they couldn't work with him

2 - in the same breath, they claim that Rudd was removed as PM because Abbott is some sort of master tactician, and they feared Rudd would lose the election .

So which is it? Was he removed because labor caucus couldn't work with him, or was he removed because they feared Abbott? You cannot have it both ways.

Once you've made up your mind, can you please use that excuse, and stop changing your stories with each post. It only makes you look desperate.

why is it so hard to beleive that it was BOTH??? Very few events in life have only one trigger.

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #6 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:15am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:43am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:12am:

Simple. Answer: both. Abbott had Rudd under intense pressure and he couldn't handle it. He became a dictatorial control freak and was quite paranoid. So he basically became a one-man government. The results speak for themselves - the ALP plummeted in the polls and he got knifed.

You don't suddenly turn into a dictatorial paranoid control freak, you either are one or not.

You can stop this type of behaviour, with great self control.

If Rudd can do this, he represents a huge threat to the Liberals.

believe that if you want but the truth is that ino most cases it is not true. Rudd has Narcisisitic Personality Disorder and without treatment, is micro-managing will remain.

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #7 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:57am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:12am:

Simple. Answer: both

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:14am:

why is it so hard to beleive that it was BOTH???

I think that's just a convenient excuse .... if caucus could have worked with Rudd, Abbotts numbers would have meant nothing, and Rudd would never have been removed.

Sort of blows your theory away

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Reply #8 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:12am:

Simple. Answer: both

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:14am:

why is it so hard to beleive that it was BOTH???

I think that's just a convenient excuse .... if caucus could have worked with Rudd, Abbotts numbers would have meant nothing, and Rudd would never have been removed.

Sort of blows your theory away

you have a very simplistic way of viewing events, dont you?

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #9 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:15am:

Rudd has Narcisisitic Personality Disorder and without treatment, is micro-managing will remain.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder usually affects a person's relationships with people, especially their most important ones. People with NPD tend to be abusive to their spouses. Kevin's kids have grown up and his wife doesn't seem to have been horribly damaged.

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #10 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:47pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:15am:

Rudd has Narcisisitic Personality Disorder and without treatment, is micro-managing will remain.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder usually affects a person's relationships with people, especially their most important ones. People with NPD tend to be abusive to their spouses. Kevin's kids have grown up and his wife doesn't seem to have been horribly damaged.

er... isnt it true that the only people that like Kevin are those that dont knowhim? his relationships with almost everyone are dysfunctiona.

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #11 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 1:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:12am:

Simple. Answer: both

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:14am:

why is it so hard to beleive that it was BOTH???

I think that's just a convenient excuse .... if caucus could have worked with Rudd, Abbotts numbers would have meant nothing, and Rudd would never have been removed.

Sort of blows your theory away

you have a very simplistic way of viewing events, dont you?

Comes with JS being a simpleton in the first place...

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #13 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 1:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:47pm:

er... isnt it true that the only people that like Kevin are those that dont knowhim? his relationships with almost everyone are dysfunctiona.

You're talking about his professional relationships. He seems to have a pretty good family life. People with NPD often engage in intimate partner violence because of a desire to control the partner. I haven't seen any signs yet of Kevin being a "controlling" person in family life.

The main reason why Kevin found himself in a situation of a dysfunctional Cabinet was because he became popular, people voted for him and he then had a job to do. I think the reason why he did so badly was because he had no previous experience for the kind of role given to him. He just found himself with more responsibility than he ever had and was under pressure. It's like what happened to Susan Boyle. She became an instant star, was under pressure and suffered a breakdown because she couldn't handle the fame.

Based on what I've read about NPD, that's not a sign of NPD. These are people who never wanted to be famous, but found themselves thrust into the spotlight and pressured to perform. By the time Kevin became popular, he had already been raising a family for some 20 years. If he was a control freak, he had 20 years to prove it.

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Re: So which is it?
Reply #14 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:39pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:15am:

Rudd has Narcisisitic Personality Disorder and without treatment, is micro-managing will remain.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder usually affects a person's relationships with people, especially their most important ones. People with NPD tend to be abusive to their spouses. Kevin's kids have grown up and his wife doesn't seem to have been horribly damaged.

Surely, Mnemonic, you are not going to argue with someone like longy who has a Degree in Psychiatry and psychology, are you?

What's that you say??

Oh!! He doesn't have the relevant degrees......

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