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Question: Does Tony Abbott have a secret austerity program?

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Reply #255 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am
 
My thread has been proven correct.
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Reply #256 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:12am
 
Yes Sir Bobby, you have be proven correct.  What a disgrace the Abbott government is.      Sad
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Reply #257 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 2:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:56am:
What will the  Abbott austerity program consist of?

Maybe the Libbos on this forum have some inside information
on what we should expect under an Abbott government?

Will we look like Greece as per this picture of riots?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02351/PD57979745_GREECE-_2351461k.jp...


No phuking way. We are intelligent enough not to need two attempts to spell police.
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Reply #258 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 2:45pm
 
After five years of financial crisis, the European record is in: Northern Europe is sound, thanks to austerity, while southern Europe is hurting because of half-hearted austerity or, worse, fiscal stimulus. The predominant Keynesian thinking has been tested, and it has failed spectacularly.

The starkest contrasts are Latvia and Greece, two small countries hit the worst by the crisis. They have pursued different policies, Latvia strict austerity, and Greece late and limited austerity. Latvia saw a sharp gross domestic product decline of 24 percent for two years, which was caused by an almost complete liquidity freeze in 2008. This necessitated the austerity that followed.

Yet Latvia’s economy grew by 5.5 percent in 2011, and in 2012 it probably expanded by 5.3 percent, the highest growth in Europe, with a budget deficit of only 1.5 percent of GDP. Meanwhile, Greece will suffer from at least seven meager years, having endured five years of recession already. So far, its GDP has fallen by 18 percent. In 2008 and 2009, the financial crisis actually looked far worse in Latvia than Greece, but then they chose opposite policies. The lessons are clear.

A successful stabilization program must appear financially sustainable so that it can restore confidence among creditors, businesses and people. Usually, a sound stabilization program can revive economic growth within two or three years, as Latvia’s did. A few rules of thumb need to be followed. Latvia did them all; Greece not at all.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-07/why-austerity-works-and-fiscal-stimulus-doesn-t
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Yes Sir Bobby, you have be proven correct.  What a disgrace the Abbott government is.      Sad 



Yes Sir Crook,
and it was all predictable.
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Reply #260 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:18am
 
Pantheon wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
After five years of financial crisis, the European record is in: Northern Europe is sound, thanks to austerity, while southern Europe is hurting because of half-hearted austerity or, worse, fiscal stimulus. The predominant Keynesian thinking has been tested, and it has failed spectacularly.

The starkest contrasts are Latvia and Greece, two small countries hit the worst by the crisis. They have pursued different policies, Latvia strict austerity, and Greece late and limited austerity. Latvia saw a sharp gross domestic product decline of 24 percent for two years, which was caused by an almost complete liquidity freeze in 2008. This necessitated the austerity that followed.

Yet Latvia’s economy grew by 5.5 percent in 2011, and in 2012 it probably expanded by 5.3 percent, the highest growth in Europe, with a budget deficit of only 1.5 percent of GDP. Meanwhile, Greece will suffer from at least seven meager years, having endured five years of recession already. So far, its GDP has fallen by 18 percent. In 2008 and 2009, the financial crisis actually looked far worse in Latvia than Greece, but then they chose opposite policies. The lessons are clear.

A successful stabilization program must appear financially sustainable so that it can restore confidence among creditors, businesses and people. Usually, a sound stabilization program can revive economic growth within two or three years, as Latvia’s did. A few rules of thumb need to be followed. Latvia did them all; Greece not at all.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-07/why-austerity-works-and-fiscal-stimulus-doesn-t


You've highlighted the reasons for disproving your own thesis. 

Well done.

Two small countries with only goat cheese and olives to export... and people... and Northern Europe is doing well?

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21623675-growth-healthy-america-and-britai...

"FOR the American and British economies it has been a long road out of the woods, but the journey is nearing its end. America’s unemployment rate fell below 6% in September. Britain’s economy, where output was up 3.2% in the year to June, is growing faster than any other big rich country’s. Central bankers are counting the days until they can raise interest rates.

Virtually everywhere else, however, the news is grim and getting grimmer. The euro zone, the world’s second-biggest economic area, seems to be falling from a feeble recovery back into outright recession as Germany hits the skids. Shockingly weak industrial production and export figures mean Germany’s GDP is likely to shrink for the second consecutive quarter—a popular definition of recession. Japan, the world’s third-biggest economy, may also be on the edge of a downturn, because April’s rise in the consumption tax is hurting spending more than expected. Russia’s and Brazil’s economies are stagnant, at best. Even in China, still growing at a suspiciously smooth 7.5% a year, there are worries about a property bust, a credit bubble and a fall in productivity (see article).

Such a lopsided world economy is unlikely to be stable. Either the weakness outside the Anglo-Saxon world proves temporary, or it will spook financial markets and darken the outlook everywhere. The conventional view is that global growth will strengthen in 2015 as America’s surge buoys other places, and as the recent weakness elsewhere proves temporary. The IMF reckons global growth will rise to 3.8% next year. This newspaper, however, is more worried on two counts. First, today’s weakness, especially in the euro area, could last longer than investors expect; and second, the lopsided growth could itself fuel destabilising shifts, particularly in the dollar.

Fearing the wurst

The euro area is in a far bigger mess than the headline figures suggest because its growth has long been flattered by Germany."

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Reply #261 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24am
 
Dear Grappler
the fact is that more & more people are sliding into poverty.
I think crime rates are up too.
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Reply #262 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:36am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24am:
Dear Grappler
the fact is that more & more people are sliding into poverty.
I think crime rates are up too.



I wouldn't doubt it for a second.  I await breathlessly the day when the nay-sayers here are screaming for protection from the rampaging masses who are trying to break into their homes to get something to eat.

Full production and full employment... that's the only answer - and to get there we need to invest on-shore and get rid of the failed 'global economy' etc.

I think I'll float Australian ON-shore Investment Corp and call for investment in Oz infrastructure since the government has no idea what even constitutes infrastructure.... they think it means privatised roads and rails and power and stuff.... in other words, just a bunch of lies to get their hands on it and the revenue from it....

Infrastructure is sound productive/goods transferal capability and the people to run it, and which produces genuine employment and real opportunity for the many..... not rail lines to Mount Nevermore Mine run and owned by Chaprah Li Nguyen Investments Inc and Tax Avoidance Unlimited and brought to you by Ginahole Prospecting.....holey ground though that kind of management/investment may be to some..... a very small some....
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Reply #263 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:47am
 
The problem is the high level of indebtedness of the private sector due to Howard & Costello fanning the real estate boom 2001–7 with tax cuts and pork. So everyone used the growing equity in their homes to spend up big. No more boom—now everyone has high mortgages even if they may have repaid their credit card debt.

So Swan’s attempts at fiscal consolidation raised unemployment more than it increased savings. Without the revenue from increased household spending all Budgets are in trouble. The obvious steps are to undo some income tax cuts and the last of the Howard irresponsible spending.

The rorts involving superannuation to avoid tax will cost more next financial year than the whole pension system. It is high time negative gearing was removed and the FBT is just a mass of rorts that badly need pruning.

By hitting, or wanting to hit the poor most the stupid Abbott govt frightened them into closing their wallets. Now our terms of trade are sliding downhill ever faster, coal and iron ore especially and that is further depressing household spending.

The Abbott govt, neoconservative not liberal at all, cannot do anything about any of the problems in our economy because they want to protect the wealth and income of the rich, that is what neoconservatism is all about.

The falling $A makes exports cheaper. The Abbott govt should be on its knees to Holdens not to leave but to invest in exports.
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Reply #264 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:53am
 
Perhaps a combined assault on the poverty and rape of Australia, George?

Fix the rip-offs and the rorting and install solid infrastructure for the future instead of another privatised road, port or railway?
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Reply #265 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:56am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24am:
Dear Grappler
the fact is that more & more people are sliding into poverty.
I think crime rates are up too.



I wouldn't doubt it for a second.  I await breathlessly the day when the nay-sayers here are screaming for protection from the rampaging masses who are trying to break into their homes to get something to eat.

Full production and full employment... that's the only answer - and to get there we need to invest on-shore and get rid of the failed 'global economy' etc.

I think I'll float Australian ON-shore Investment Corp and call for investment in Oz infrastructure since the government has no idea what even constitutes infrastructure.... they think it means privatised roads and rails and power and stuff.... in other words, just a bunch of lies to get their hands on it and the revenue from it....

Infrastructure is sound productive/goods transferal capability and the people to run it, and which produces genuine employment and real opportunity for the many..... not rail lines to Mount Nevermore Mine run and owned by Chaprah Li Nguyen Investments Inc and Tax Avoidance Unlimited and brought to you by Ginahole Prospecting.....holey ground though that kind of management/investment may be to some..... a very small some....



It's a worry - our homes have to be like fortresses now.
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Reply #266 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 7:05am
 
I've noted that in news items on TV - people interviewed outside their homes are standing in front of barred windows and stuff....

I, like many, come from a generation where the locks on doors were just there because they came with the door.... nobody ever turned the key to lock in at night etc and the bread and milk money were left on the table for the milko and the bread man...

I suffered terrible culture shock moving into a big city in the lat 1960's.... only there to make some money and get out again..... then in the 1980's there was this influx of European and Middle Eastern peasants who would just take anything not welded to the floor.... I had pet rabbits and they were stolen, and kids under ten breaking into my house when I was at work.... just in training for their future..... no parents at home... not mum.

I went to one mother and had her son dead to rights stealing from me - all she could say was that he had 'light fingers'.. but did nothing... too hard.....

Perhaps the biggest shock was that the guy I was renting a house from actually came in while I was away on security work, and stole a licensed pistol from me, breaking into the locked cupboard to do so..... then tried to accuse me of selling drugs because I had loose anti-histamines on top of the fridge..... insane....

I just cannot fathom this modern insanity that passes for society....
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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:53am:
Perhaps a combined assault on the poverty and rape of Australia, George?

Fix the rip-offs and the rorting and install solid infrastructure for the future instead of another privatised road, port or railway?

Sounds like a plan.

Run out the real NBN which by itself will increase employment then the new services it makes possible will see new businesses taking on skilled workers and exporting these services—jobs, exports, GDP growth, increase in tax revenue. Malcolm Turncoat has spent $12m, every cent of it taxpayers money, on reports that say what he wants them to say. The CBA said in 2023 people will only need 15mbps—most people on the net need more than that TODAY! And that CBA had to try and explain away how much bandwidth 4KTV needs—and got that wrong.

Then the Abbott govt could spend money on roads instead of just rebranding some of the Labor projects and cancelling a heap of them.

All this privatisation rubbish just raises the cost of living—but fits the neocon ideology: look after the managers of capital.

Thing about taking money from the poor—they have no discretionary expenditure, students, the unemployed, pensioners have to spend all their money just to survive. Take away some of their money—they spend less! Take some from the rich—the rorts involving super, undoing the last 2-3 tax cuts to the top brackets and they keep on spending—the rich have plenty of discretionary income.

It isn’t rocket science.

Economics is the study of how scarce resources are spent in the face of infinite wants and needs. That is how supply and demand works, where the price is at a level an eager but not desperate buyer is happy to buy from an eager but not desperate seller. The cost increases from privatised lectricity generation and transmission has seen buyers that are desperate—privatisation of natural monopolies distorts the market.
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Reply #268 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 6:56am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 7:05am:
I've noted that in news items on TV - people interviewed outside their homes are standing in front of barred windows and stuff....

I, like many, come from a generation where the locks on doors were just there because they came with the door.... nobody ever turned the key to lock in at night etc and the bread and milk money were left on the table for the milko and the bread man...

I suffered terrible culture shock moving into a big city in the lat 1960's.... only there to make some money and get out again..... then in the 1980's there was this influx of European and Middle Eastern peasants who would just take anything not welded to the floor.... I had pet rabbits and they were stolen, and kids under ten breaking into my house when I was at work.... just in training for their future..... no parents at home... not mum.

I went to one mother and had her son dead to rights stealing from me - all she could say was that he had 'light fingers'.. but did nothing... too hard.....

Perhaps the biggest shock was that the guy I was renting a house from actually came in while I was away on security work, and stole a licensed pistol from me, breaking into the locked cupboard to do so..... then tried to accuse me of selling drugs because I had loose anti-histamines on top of the fridge..... insane....

I just cannot fathom this modern insanity that passes for society....



Is he in jail now?
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Reply #269 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 7:47am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2014 at 6:56am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 7:05am:
I've noted that in news items on TV - people interviewed outside their homes are standing in front of barred windows and stuff....

I, like many, come from a generation where the locks on doors were just there because they came with the door.... nobody ever turned the key to lock in at night etc and the bread and milk money were left on the table for the milko and the bread man...

I suffered terrible culture shock moving into a big city in the lat 1960's.... only there to make some money and get out again..... then in the 1980's there was this influx of European and Middle Eastern peasants who would just take anything not welded to the floor.... I had pet rabbits and they were stolen, and kids under ten breaking into my house when I was at work.... just in training for their future..... no parents at home... not mum.

I went to one mother and had her son dead to rights stealing from me - all she could say was that he had 'light fingers'.. but did nothing... too hard.....

Perhaps the biggest shock was that the guy I was renting a house from actually came in while I was away on security work, and stole a licensed pistol from me, breaking into the locked cupboard to do so..... then tried to accuse me of selling drugs because I had loose anti-histamines on top of the fridge..... insane....

I just cannot fathom this modern insanity that passes for society....



Is he in jail now?


No - most likely dead - I used to be overflowing with human kindness and hated nobody - I'm now learning that this world would definitely be better off without some in it.

Give me time - I'm only 65.

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