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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #30 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:22pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

... a bitter tired old nutcase called Windsor.

A frustrated Liberal supporter's jaundiced view

To all OTHERS, probably the least self-serving - and most honest member of the current government

certainly the least ELECTORATE-serving member.

HARDLY !

The best deal for his electorate was the deciding FACTOR in who he backed
Namely - the National Broadband Network
A VITAL for rural Australia

(... had New England desired a LibNat government under ANY circumstance, they would have always stuck with a LibNat representative)

Exactly....But longy has trouble coming to grips that they voted independent.
If they had wanted LNP they would have voted for them.

And..... They had the NBN switched on yesterday.....

"IN HIS first act as Australia's acting Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese switched on more than 14,000 homes to the National Broadband Network.

With the help of Coffs Harbour City Council Mayor, Cr Denise Knight, and the manager of the Coffs Coast Community College, Merren Asquith, Mr Albanese turned on access to the massive infrastructure project for homes and businesses in Boambee, Sawtell and Toormina as well as further areas of Coffs Harbour.

Mr Albanese said there are now 16,900 businesses in total across the Coffs Coast that can now connect to the NBN, with even more coming online over the next few months.

"The people of Coffs Harbour are already embracing the NBN," Mr Albanese said.

"In areas that switched on only six months ago, local households are signing up at world leading rates."

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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #31 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:27pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

Australia would be better served by abolishing the states .... We only need federal and regional govts ....

Australia doesn't need states: Howard

Tim Colebatch, Farrah Tomazin
March 25, 2005

Australia would be better off without state governments, Prime Minister John Howard declared yesterday
Mr Howard said it would be better if Australia had no state governments - adding that it was "unrealistic" to wish for that now.

"If we were starting Australia all over again, I wouldn't support having the existing state structure," he said. "I would actually support having a national government, and perhaps a series of regional governments having the power of, say, the Brisbane City Council" (Australia's most powerful local government).

"But we're not starting Australia all over again, and the idea of abolishing state governments is unrealistic."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Australia-doesnt-need-states-Howard/2005/...

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history Reply #32 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:38pm I'll second the motion..... Not the unrealistic bit!!
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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #33 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:22pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

But next on their agenda comes Gonski. Unfortunately it was Robert Menzies who started us on this slippery slope of federal interference in what is constitutionally a state responsibility. But he never contemplated a Rudd/Gillard holocaust.
Gonski, if we are not fortunate enough to have a change of govt and it is ended, will result in total educational control from Canberra.
They will decide what your kids are taught (do you want Tony Abbott deciding this?), when they are taught, who teaches them and how much will be spent on their education. Like a viral plague, Canberra will assume more and more intimate control over the education system.
And this will be whether they are in the public or private system.

The socialists know only one answer to anything. Get control of it, by whatever means come to hand, bend it to suit their jaundiced view of the world and use it to further entrench themselves in power. Even if it comes down to controlling the minds of children.
Gonski must be defeated just as much as the referendum.

But surely even you can see the value of a school curriculum which is consistent throughout the nation?

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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history Reply #34 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:27pm Homogeneity has never been the path to better education outcomes.
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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #35 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:42pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

I don't suppose a conservative voter would see the irony?

irony: a situation in which something which was intended to have a particular result has the opposite or a very different result.
I think you've hit it on the head dna. The appetite of the Rudd/Gillard regime for central power and their machinations to gain it will have the opposite effect to what they desire, ie they won't get the power and they will be consigned to the dustbin.

Bend twist and spin all you like - everyone knows that the Libs have always been much more power hungry.

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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #36 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:43pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

Centralisation of power in Canberra is the core principle of this govt, by which I mean the whole evil epoch of Rudd/Gillard.
Let's start with the referendum on local govt. Tried twice before by Labor, first by Whitlam whom the people scrapped & scorned, then by Hawke, they are now having another go. They won't be satisfied till they have hogtied local councils in the same way they hogtied the states with tied grants under the uniform income tax legislation after 1942.
But for John Howard giving the states back some freedom with the GST distribution, the states would now be mere branch offices of Canberra, a dream second only to their abolition in the eyes of the socialists.
Let them get this referendum through, which mercifully is now looking less likely, and Canberra will end up having full power over local govt. Bit by bit, year by year, they will become slaves to the dollars doled out by Canberra - whichever party is in power - until your entire neighbourhood life is regulated by federal bureaucrats.
Vote No to preserve our freedom.

But next on their agenda comes Gonski. Unfortunately it was Robert Menzies who started us on this slippery slope of federal interference in what is constitutionally a state responsibility. But he never contemplated a Rudd/Gillard holocaust.
Gonski, if we are not fortunate enough to have a change of govt and it is ended, will result in total educational control from Canberra.
They will decide what your kids are taught (do you want Tony Abbott deciding this?), when they are taught, who teaches them and how much will be spent on their education. Like a viral plague, Canberra will assume more and more intimate control over the education system.
And this will be whether they are in the public or private system.

The socialists know only one answer to anything. Get control of it, by whatever means come to hand, bend it to suit their jaundiced view of the world and use it to further entrench themselves in power. Even if it comes down to controlling the minds of children.
Gonski must be defeated just as much as the referendum.

If only that were true ... Australia would be better served by abolishing the states .... We only need federal and regional govts .... any more is simply thowing good money after bad

in theory it might sound good but we all know how the feds already fixate on Sydney all the time with occasional references to Melbourn and perhaps Brisbane. The rest of us have no effective representation in canberra. NSW would get a senior cabinet minister, VIc would get a junior Cabinet minster, QLD would get a parliamentary secretary and the rest of use would be lucky to get a senior PS to run the state.

So keep the state govts. Not because they are good but because the alternative is worse.

rubbish .... like a said, regional representation ... every region would have a voice. Are all the current ministers from Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane? why would you expect that to change?

Also, given that those 3 cities contain over half the countries population, many would deem it reasonable that they get more representation than Darwin, Adelaide and Hobart. After all, the MP's are there to represent the PEOPLE aren't they? not the GPS co- ordinates.

and there you prove my point

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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #37 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:44pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

Australia would be better served by abolishing the states .... We only need federal and regional govts ....

Australia doesn't need states: Howard

Tim Colebatch, Farrah Tomazin
March 25, 2005

Australia would be better off without state governments, Prime Minister John Howard declared yesterday
Mr Howard said it would be better if Australia had no state governments - adding that it was "unrealistic" to wish for that now.

"If we were starting Australia all over again, I wouldn't support having the existing state structure," he said. "I would actually support having a national government, and perhaps a series of regional governments having the power of, say, the Brisbane City Council" (Australia's most powerful local government).

"But we're not starting Australia all over again, and the idea of abolishing state governments is unrealistic."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Australia-doesnt-need-states-Howard/2005/...

The states came in very handy as the last line of defence against the worst excesses of the Howard government.

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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #38 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:46pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

... a bitter tired old nutcase called Windsor.

A frustrated Liberal supporter's jaundiced view

To all OTHERS, probably the least self-serving - and most honest member of the current government

certainly the least ELECTORATE-serving member.

HARDLY !

The best deal for his electorate was the deciding FACTOR in who he backed
Namely - the National Broadband Network
A VITAL for rural Australia

(... had New England desired a LibNat government under ANY circumstance, they would have always stuck with a LibNat representative)

in any other thread you would deride pork-barrelling but when it suits your purposes you applaud it.

But foolish me, I thought the point of a representative in parliament was to represent the wishes of the electorate. But it is apparently the election of a PARENT who can choose to whatever they want with their brood of children. Good intentions are not the province of the MP. Their job is th represent their actual wishes.

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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:32am

Australia doesn't need states: Howard

Tim Colebatch, Farrah Tomazin
March 25, 2005

Australia would be better off without state governments, Prime Minister John Howard declared yesterday

Didn't I say, buzz, haven't I consistently said that you can't trust centralised power in the hands of either party? Sure I have labelled Labor as the most power-hungry, but once the power has been appropriated they all enjoy swinging their weight around.
That's why keeping to the constitution, keeping to a strong role for states is vital.
Even dna can see that.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:35am Peter Freedman, I don't concede to a national curriculum when it is subject to political/ environmental/attitudinal indoctrination. The organs and allied adjuncts of the Labor party can't keep their hands off what kids learn and I don't trust that any more than I would trust the National Socialist party.
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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

... a bitter tired old nutcase called Windsor.

A frustrated Liberal supporter's jaundiced view

To all OTHERS, probably the least self-serving - and most honest member of the current government

certainly the least ELECTORATE-serving member.

HARDLY !

The best deal for his electorate was the deciding FACTOR in who he backed
Namely - the

National Broadband Network

A VITAL for rural Australia

(... had New England desired a LibNat government under ANY circumstance, they would have always stuck with a LibNat representative)

in any other thread you would deride pork- barrelling but when it suits your purposes you applaud it.

Ensuring such NATIONAL infrastructure as the NBN is not jeopardised could HARDLY be seen as a case of "pork-barrelling"

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Re: The most power-hungry govt in our history
Reply #42 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

... a bitter tired old nutcase called Windsor.

A frustrated Liberal supporter's jaundiced view

To all OTHERS, probably the least self-serving - and most honest member of the current government

certainly the least ELECTORATE-serving member.

HARDLY !

The best deal for his electorate was the deciding FACTOR in who he backed
Namely - the

National Broadband Network

A VITAL for rural Australia

(... had New England desired a LibNat government under ANY circumstance, they would have always stuck with a LibNat representative)

in any other thread you would deride pork- barrelling but when it suits your purposes you applaud it.

Ensuring such NATIONAL infrastructure as the NBN is not jeopardised could HARDLY be seen as a case of "pork-barrelling"

it is when the independents dont just get priority but virtually the first off the rans while the city dwellers (who are actually paying for it) wait 10 years.

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