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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #120 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

I corrected the errors of the previous post which you left unchallenged.

Feel free to correct any errors I have made.

there are none. Grin

I also think you will find I did not cut and paste that info from Wiki. Even though there is a link to the Tampa as you have shown.

Some of us are interested in politics and have good memories.

If you like I can refer you to acts of "piracy" by the people saved by the Tampa too. Is that mentioned in your wiki link?

Let's see now, shall we?

You said:

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According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

Wiki says:

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According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

Can anyone spot a difference between what Grendell says and what Wiki says?

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #121 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:17pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

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The Tampa was not going to Indonesia. Their responsibility was to take them to the next port of call - Australia.

The Tampa had left Fremantle and was going to Singapore via the Sunda Strait.
The Palapa was in international waters off Java.
According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

Oh and if you still don't understand what "According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia." means... then I'm sure some adult with more patience with stupidity can explain it to you. Roll Eyes

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #122 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:18pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

I corrected the errors of the previous post which you left unchallenged.

Feel free to correct any errors I have made.

there are none. Grin

I also think you will find I did not cut and paste that info from Wiki. Even though there is a link to the Tampa as you have shown.

Some of us are interested in politics and have good memories.

If you like I can refer you to acts of "piracy" by the people saved by the Tampa too. Is that mentioned in your wiki link?

The Palapa was 140 kms off Christmas Island, not Java.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #123 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:22pm Cherry picking doesn't make you right... as usual. Care to post a different way of phrasing the obvious... because that is how I phrased it Uberdummy. I note I also posted other facts. I guess you left them out because wiki phrased those facts differently eh. you don't even cut it as a mindless pedant.
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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #124 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:23pm

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

I corrected the errors of the previous post which you left unchallenged.http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/right.gif

Feel free to correct any errors I have made.

there are none. Grin

I also think you will find I did not cut and paste that info from Wiki. Even though there is a link to the Tampa as you have shown.

Some of us are interested in politics and have good memories.

If you like I can refer you to acts of "piracy" by the people saved by the Tampa too. Is that mentioned in your wiki link?

The Palapa was 140 kms off Christmas Island, not Java.

Oh dear... did I say anywhere it wasn't Ian.

Should I repost the LAW for you again... Roll Eyes

Do the words closest or suitable mean anything to you?

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #125 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:26pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

I corrected the errors of the previous post which you left unchallenged.http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/right.gif

Feel free to correct any errors I have made.

there are none. Grin

I also think you will find I did not cut and paste that info from Wiki. Even though there is a link to the Tampa as you have shown.

Some of us are interested in politics and have good memories.

If you like I can refer you to acts of "piracy" by the people saved by the Tampa too. Is that mentioned in your wiki link?

The Palapa was 140 kms off Christmas Island, not Java.

Oh dear... did I say anywhere it wasn't Ian.

Should I repost the LAW for you again... Roll Eyes

Do the words closest or suitable mean anything to you?

Yes you did , right here. The Palap was not off Java, it was close to Chrsitmas island. I dont have a boat in this race but just thought I would correct that little error.
Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

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The Tampa had left Fremantle and was going to Singapore via the Sunda Strait.
The Palapa was in international waters off Java.
According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #126 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

I corrected the errors of the previous post which you left unchallenged.

Feel free to correct any errors I have made.

there are none. Grin

I also think you will find I did not cut and paste that info from Wiki. Even though there is a link to the Tampa as you have shown.

Some of us are interested in politics and have good memories.

If you like I can refer you to acts of "piracy" by the people saved by the Tampa too. Is that mentioned in your wiki link?

Let's see now, shall we?

You said:

Quote:

According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

Wiki says:

Quote:

According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

Can anyone spot a difference between what Grendell says and what Wiki says?

Cheesy

*Oi, Grendel.......over here ^^^^^

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #127 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:39pm

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Under international law we cant do it. Its just a nonsense gambit by Abbot for the thicko vote.

Under international law the Indonesians have not been allowed to sponsor an invasion of Australia by hundreds of boats leaving their southern shores over a period of many years.

Indonesia has never been taken to the International Court to face charges of aiding and abetting criminals in an illegal people-smuggling enterprise.

Indonesia knows it would be in their best interest not to press any charges if Australia should tow boats back into Indonesian waters.

Their own criminal involvement in the people-smuggling business would attract a very heavy penalty if brought before an International Court.

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #128 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:43pm

Aussie do you bore people here by continuous repetition of rubbish too?

Repeat it all you like... won't make you right.

You know you're not Grin

Ian... you do know where Java is and that it's one of the biggest Indonesian islands etc don't you? You do know where the Sunda Strait is don't you?
You do know what International waters are don't you?
You do understand international laws right?

Good... I'll leave you to it then...

Concentrate on those 2 words i suggested earlier I'm sure things will come together for you. Roll Eyes

Oh and get a map so you can see all that water south and west of java Grin

If you go far enough you can see Christmas island Grin

Like Aussie you will need to learn to accept it when you are wrong.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38791 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #129 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:46pm Mr Grendel.....you have some answering to do ^^^^^ You lied.
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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #130 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:50pm

I'm sorry Mr Aussie... but I can't resist rubbing your nose in it.

I suppose if I was to type Kipling's "If" here you would also state I copied it word for word out of wiki or some other site eh? Grin

I suppose if I said it was knowledge I retain that wouldn't be good enough for you... But I assure you if you told me you knew Mary had a little lamb word for word... I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and on a good day I might even believe you Wink

You are so bad at this... back to Relationships with you. Cool

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #131 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:54pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

I'm sorry Mr Aussie... but I can't resist rubbing your nose in it.

I suppose if I was to type Kipling's "If" here you would also state I copied it word for word out of wiki or some other site eh? Grin

You are so bad at this... back to Relationships with you. Cool

Yeas Mr Grendel. When you posted this:

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According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

You copied it directly from Wiki which contains this:

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According to international law, survivors of a shipwreck are to be taken to the closest suitable port for medical treatment. The closest suitable port was 12 hours away in Merak, Indonesia.

About which you posted this:

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I also think you will find I did not cut and paste that info from Wiki.

And you tried to put it down to memory.

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Some of us are interested in politics and have good memories.

Liar.

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #132 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:58pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:16am:

Fascinating program last night providing a rare insight into the thinking of some of our nearest neighbours.

Most important was a blunt statement by an adviser to the Indonesian Deputy President that they will never accept asylum seeker boats turned back from Australia.

Looks like one of Abbott's principal election policies has developed a serious leak and is sinking fast.

What now, Tony?

They've turn boats around before and they'll do it again

We've co-operated with the Indonesians on illegal fishing so we can do it on illegals

That’s right. Maybe the Indonesians will change their minds when Mr Abbott goes to Jakarta and talks tough.

All this problem needs is Mr Abbott’s superior skills at persuasion. He’ll make them see the error of their ways.

Which is alot more believable than when Rudd said he'll never challenge again or when Gillard said "There will be no carbon tax..."

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD.

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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #133 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:03pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1372965411/64

It is a very simple, relatively inexpensive and totally effective solution.

Now tell me how this could fail!!

Well, what do you know?

You've just described the Malaysian "Solution" in a nutshell.

I can't see Mr Abbott doing that. He voted against it, remember?

Malaysia, like Indonesia, is not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention.

the Malaysian plan was to give back 800 in return for 4000. how was that even similar??? and this plan is unlimited. the malaysian plan was never going to stop the boats.

Of course it wasn’t. But how are you going to get Indonesia to take all those refugees unless Australia pays to accommodate them?

And how can Mr Abbott impliment Mr Downer’s marvellous policy when he refuses to send refugees to non-signatory countries?

Please explain.

do you even read the post???? we SWAP boat people for refugees they already have in Indonesia! its a win-win for everyone except boat people and it costs nothing fro Indonesia to comply.

Actually, you’re right. That could work.

But what about Mr Abbott’s guilty conscience about sending boat people to non signatory countries?

He already said this WOULD NOT BE DONE UNDER A GOVERNMENT MR ABBOTT LEADS.

Thoughts?

returning them to indonesia from whence they came which IS a signatory. problem solved.

Indonesia is as much a signatory as Malaysia .... idiot. [/quote]

Now now, maybe Mr Abbott has thought of a new policy - Indonesia should become a signatory to the refugee convention.

Let’s give credit where credit’s due, I say.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #134 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:05pm Quote: THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD. Did you cut and paste that out of Wiki karnal... careful the 'orrible MR AUSSIE will be right onto you
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