Australian Politics Forum - Indonesian Q&A

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #135 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:08pm So Mr Abbott will send the boat people to Indonesia, but he felt bad about sending them to Malaysia. Do you think Mr Abbott might have had a secret reason to oppose the Malaysia "Solution?" You know, something he wasn’t telling us? Answer that one, leftards.
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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #136 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:20pm Taking 4000 while giving 800 was crap deal? Limit easily reached in a week under the ALP? May as well have asked Malaysia to include a wet wipe and instructions with the deal for Rudd and Gillard on how to wipe their bot bots
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Reply #137 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

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It is a very simple, relatively inexpensive and totally effective solution.

Now tell me how this could fail!!

Well, what do you know?

You've just described the Malaysian "Solution" in a nutshell.

I can't see Mr Abbott doing that. He voted against it, remember?

Malaysia, like Indonesia, is not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention.

the Malaysian plan was to give back 800 in return for 4000. how was that even similar??? and this plan is unlimited. the malaysian plan was never going to stop the boats.

Of course it wasn’t. But how are you going to get Indonesia to take all those refugees unless Australia pays to accommodate them?

And how can Mr Abbott impliment Mr Downer’s marvellous policy when he refuses to send refugees to non-signatory countries?

Please explain.

do you even read the post???? we SWAP boat people for refugees they already have in Indonesia! its a win-win for everyone except boat people and it costs nothing fro Indonesia to comply.

Actually, you’re right. That could work.

But what about Mr Abbott’s guilty conscience about sending boat people to non signatory countries?

He already said this WOULD NOT BE DONE UNDER A GOVERNMENT MR ABBOTT LEADS.

Thoughts?

returning them to indonesia from whence they came which IS a signatory. problem solved.

Indonesia is as much a signatory as Malaysia .... idiot.

Now now, maybe Mr Abbott has thought of a new policy - Indonesia should become a signatory to the refugee convention.

Let’s give credit where credit’s due, I say.
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Are you saying that Abbott has given up hopes of ever becoming PM of Australia, and has now decided he's going to run for president of Indonesia? Why else would he be trying to write Indonesian policy?

Bambang might go bang bang. Isn't that how politics works over there?

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Reply #138 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:44pm

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Taking 4000 while giving 800 was crap deal?
Limit easily reached in a week under the ALP?

May as well have asked Malaysia to include a wet wipe and instructions with the deal for Rudd and Gillard on how to wipe their bot bots

would you have been one of those first 800 knowing you would never get to settle? or do you think you might wait for others to fill the quota?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #139 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:11pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Taking 4000 while giving 800 was crap deal?
Limit easily reached in a week under the ALP?

May as well have asked Malaysia to include a wet wipe and instructions with the deal for Rudd and Gillard on how to wipe their bot bots

would you have been one of those first 800 knowing you would never get to settle? or do you think you might wait for others to fill the quota?

1 in 5 is pretty short odds.

Especially if that 1 happens to be one of the parents.

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Reply #140 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:17pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Under international law we cant do it. Its just a nonsense gambit by Abbot for the thicko vote.

Under international law the Indonesians have not been allowed to sponsor an invasion of Australia by hundreds of boats leaving their southern shores over a period of many years.

Indonesia has never been taken to the International Court to face charges of aiding and abetting criminals in an illegal people-smuggling enterprise.

Indonesia knows it would be in their best interest not to press any charges if Australia should tow boats back into Indonesian waters.

Their own criminal involvement in the people-smuggling business would attract a very heavy penalty if brought before an International Court.

This is all pie in the sky stuff mate, Indonesia is not officially involved in people smuggling. Corruption is rife but this is not basis for any international court proceedings. Besides which, Indonesia can just decide not to get involved in any International court proceedings. I dont want them here as much as you dont but we need to use rational and not emotional thinking here.

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Reply #141 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

People smugglers run a half price sale for a week or two until they have filled the quota, then bump up the prices and double the rate of boats coming.

The smugglers already know the left aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm sure they thank you for standing on the bodies of dead children while you provide succor to them.

Be proud, death dealers and border vandals. Show the Indonesians and the smugglers how the left piss their pants at the thought of securing our borders and not drowning people

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Reply #142 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1372965411/64

It is a very simple, relatively inexpensive and totally effective solution.

Now tell me how this could fail!!

Well, what do you know?

You've just described the Malaysian "Solution" in a nutshell.

I can't see Mr Abbott doing that. He voted against it, remember?

Malaysia, like Indonesia, is not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention.

the Malaysian plan was to give back 800 in return for 4000. how was that even similar??? and this plan is unlimited. the malaysian plan was never going to stop the boats.

Of course it wasn’t. But how are you going to get Indonesia to take all those refugees unless Australia pays to accommodate them?

And how can Mr Abbott impliment Mr Downer’s marvellous policy when he refuses to send refugees to non-signatory countries?

Please explain.

do you even read the post???? we SWAP boat people for refugees they already have in Indonesia! its a win-win for everyone except boat people and it costs nothing fro Indonesia to comply.

Actually, you’re right. That could work.

But what about Mr Abbott’s guilty conscience about sending boat people to non signatory countries?

He already said this WOULD NOT BE DONE UNDER A GOVERNMENT MR ABBOTT LEADS.

Thoughts?

returning them to indonesia from whence they came which IS a signatory. problem solved.

Indonesia is as much a signatory as Malaysia .... idiot.

Now now, maybe Mr Abbott has thought of a new policy - Indonesia should become a signatory to the refugee convention.

Let’s give credit where credit’s due, I say.

Are you saying that Abbott has given up hopes of ever becoming PM of Australia, and has now decided he's going to run for president of Indonesia? Why else would he be trying to write Indonesian policy?

Bambang might go bang bang. Isn't that how politics works over there? [/quote]

Don’t be ridiculous. We decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances in which they come.

We also decide how Indonesia should punish its fishermen, prosecute its corrupt police, spend its military budget and suck up to its rich next door neighbour for its foreign aid budget.

Thoughts?

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Reply #143 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:26pm

People smuggler: Don't worry about it, the ticket is cheap and if you get caught, you get a few years in a nice bed and breakfast, they give you money, phone cards, Internet and they pay you too. You'll be sent back a rich man and because you took the risk being one of the 800, ill give you a freebie once you get your free Qantas flight back into town.

The left are in charge and they are pissweak little gnats. They even give you a lawyer! The left are the best thing to happen to my business.

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Reply #144 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:26pm:

People smuggler: Don't worry about it, the ticket is cheap and if you get caught, you get a few years in a nice bed and breakfast, they give you money, phone cards, Internet and they pay you too. You'll be sent back a rich man and because you took the risk being one of the 800, ill give you a freebie once you get your free Qantas flight back into town.

The left are in charge and they are pissweak little gnats. They even give you a lawyer! The left are the best thing to happen to my business.

No, they dont get any of these. the alleged asylum seekers get these, not the smugglers.

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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #145 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:32pm Yes, that was a people smuggler selling the sugar the left puts on the table to an illegal immigrant.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #146 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:39pm I don’t know what’s more ludicrous - the idea that anyone other than Indonesian fishing crews end up doing the 5 year mandatory sentences for people smuggling, or the idea that the Labor Party are "left". Suck it up, leftards. STOP THE BOATS.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #147 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:40pm Obvious troll is obvious.
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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #148 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm If you think that the ALP aren't left, its because you are looking at them from a more insane position than that which they occupy.
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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #149 - Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:43pm ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Obvious troll is obvious. Obvious tard is tard
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