Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 9:39am:

Then it will be up to the United Nations to act against Indonesia. I'm sure the United nations might have a problem with Indonesia refusing to allow their own boats to come back to port.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 6:40am:


If the indonesians on the boats are criminals then why would they want them back? Its not like they own the boats. Its not like they are filled with indonesians. Its not like they will be all semantic about it like you - they dont want the criminals or the asylum seekers and the govt doesnt own the boats. Why would they want them?

SOB

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:32am:


The Coalition doesn't need a fall back position.
Perhaps if Labor 'had some ticker', they could have the boats towed back just like Rudd stated he would do in 2007.
However, it doesn't matter what Indonesia accepts actually.
These boats won't be towed into Indonesian waters, and never have been in the past, so Indonesian acceptance is irrelevant.
They will only towed to the limit of Indonesian territorial waters, and be released in international waters with enough fuel to make port.
These boats are Indonesian boats, registered and crewed by Indonesians.
They have just left an Indonesian port, so for the Indonesians to say they don't want their boats or crews back is silly.
Perhaps they don't want the smugglers to give names of the Indonesian police and officials who have aided these criminals in their enterprise, who knows.
The US Coast Guard have been towing back boats since the eighties, and have towed back 2000 this year alone quite successfully.
The Sri Lankan navy has also been towing back boats with great success.
You think our naval personnel are happy being an escort service for smugglers.
These professional service people have been boarding pirate vessels in the Gulf and nearby waters for over ten years with great success also.
So they can certainly handle a couple of scumbag criminals on smugglers vessels who are inclined to sabotage the boat they are on.
And what happens to them after they are in Indonesian waters is Indonesia's problem eh.

Heres a suggestion, the boats come from Indonesia then they can f.....,g well go back there whether those arseholes like it or not.

They let them come, then they can take them back.

Game over.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:05am:


Indonesian criminal crew, Indonesian registered boats, Indonesian fuel, just left an Indonesian port.
That's Indonesian enough eh.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 5:16am:



oh dear here we go again...
I watched it too and yes there was one person quite strident in her attitude no doubt playing to the people.  Well we have a sovereign nation too and since they are Indonesian vessels, crewed by Indonesians, under orders from Indonesian criminals, then in all rationality they must accept their return.

I note the same woman did not mention any conflict/war and just that they would talk to our government about the process.

I note the Indonesian part of the panel was underwhelming in their intelligence and ability to see and consider the problem realistically.

I note Abbott has a much broader and consultative idea for how this would work, than the ALP and it's moronic rusted-ons would have one believe.

I note that corruption is accepted as part of the Indonesian culture and a member of the panel if not embracing that used it and poverty as an excuse for criminal actions.  There lies a cultural difference for sure.  We do not accept that poverty is an excuse for criminality.

As for the non-Australian panel members they seemed to have an even more negative stereotype of Australians than we have of them.  If Indonesian elites harbour these ideas how much more ignorant and misguided are the rest?

But they left out a few questions:

They could have talked about their Muslim extremists.

Also animal cruelty - what did they think about the way the animals were treated?

What about Sharia law?

What about their quite large army?
How big & powerful is it?

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:44am:



I think Tony Jones was given a tap on the shoulder by ASIO
not to inflame issues too much.