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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #165 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:44pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 11:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:53pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:35pm:

Why have you come back under another name?

Please elaborate.

How would you know I used to be Batshit Crazy?

You tell me that.

'used to be'??!!??

Shurely shome mishatake. Shurely.

Never ever.

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Reply #166 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:27pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 11:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:53pm:

Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:35pm:

Why have you come back under another name?

Please elaborate.

How would you know I used to be Batshit Crazy?

You tell me that.

'used to be'??!!??

Shurely shome mishatake. Shurely.

Never ever.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Indonesian Q&A Reply #167 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:40pm Grendel wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 11:06am: So Ian... you think People Smuggling is legal? The Bali9 were people smuggling? Who gave you that information?
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Re: Indonesian Q&A
Reply #168 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

ian wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

bambu wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

What relationship is that exactly?

When we asked them nicely not to sentence any of the Bali9 to death they basically told us to get stuffed.

As they should have. We would have done the same had they tried to interfere in our legal system. You dont have a point.

We would not have done the same...we're not barbaric and don't execution-homicide human beings in death chambers.

They soon interfered in our justice system...screamed in outrage about our jailing people smuggling boat crews for a minimum of 5 years.
"They're only poor fishermen" they whined.

And look at the fuss they kicked up when we gave those few Papuans asylum.

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Reply #169 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:48pm

What virtually every poster is missing is the motivation of the Indonesians in all of this. Their motivation is moolah, pure and simple. I've been to plenty of poor countries, and it's always the same. The Indonesians are very cunning when it comes to money. Even with the disaster in Aceh, the only thing that the poor people ended up with was packet noodles. The aid money is still going round and round in government circles.

So Kev says to Sosilo, "We don't want to offend you guys and take unilateral action. So chill. We'll help you out (**money***) with patrol boats.

Sosilo's translator says "This guy will give you money if you say that unilateral action is not acceptable. Oh - the money is for patrol boats by the way"

Sosilo smiles broadly and thinks "Sucker - he's giving us money"

Kev goes back to Australia "See - the Indonesians agree with us"

Of course Abbott can't very easily state the bleeding obvious, because it would offend the Indonesians.

Kev 1 Tony 0

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Reply #170 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

muso wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:48pm:

What virtually every poster is missing is the motivation of the Indonesians in all of this. Their motivation is moolah, pure and simple. I've been to plenty of poor countries, and it's always the same. The Indonesians are very cunning when it comes to money. Even with the disaster in Aceh, the only thing that the poor people ended up with was packet noodles. The aid money is still going round and round in government circles.

So Kev says to Sosilo, "We don't want to offend you guys and take unilateral action. So chill. We'll help you out (**money***) with patrol boats.

Sosilo's translator says "This guy will give you money if you say that unilateral action is not acceptable. Oh - the money is for patrol boats by the way"

Sosilo smiles broadly and thinks "Sucker - he's giving us money"

Kev goes back to Australia "See - the Indonesians agree with us"

Of course Abbott can't very easily state the bleeding obvious, because it would offend the Indonesians.

Kev 1 Tony 0

Tony is not the govt.

See any of the many patrol boats we've given Indonesia being used to patrol the south and people-smuggling?
Answer; no!

Sucked in AGAIN Australia!

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Reply #171 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

bambu wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

We would not have done the same...we're not barbaric and don't execution-homicide human beings in death chambers.

They soon interfered in our justice system...screamed in outrage about our jailing people smuggling boat crews for a minimum of 5 years.
"They're only poor fishermen" they whined.

And look at the fuss they kicked up when we gave those few Papuans asylum.

Thier laws, you go to another country, their law. I cant get over how many Australians think the world should run around our legal system incredibly naive and arrogant. .Get yourself an Indonesion citizenship if you want to change it and do so. Until then, if you go to another country grow up a little and recognise that their laws may be different to ours. I also cant get over how people stick up for drug (death) dealers. The rest of you post is bs, they only objected when we were locking up children, we had kids as young as 14 in maximum security prison getting preyed on by pedophiles. As we all should know, the Papuans have an independence movement going in what Indonesia considers a sovereign part of their territory, so understandably a little sensitive to that issue.

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Reply #172 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

muso wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 7:48pm:

What virtually every poster is missing is the motivation of the Indonesians in all of this. Their motivation is moolah, pure and simple. I've been to plenty of poor countries, and it's always the same. The Indonesians are very cunning when it comes to money. Even with the disaster in Aceh, the only thing that the poor people ended up with was packet noodles. The aid money is still going round and round in government circles.

So Kev says to Sosilo, "We don't want to offend you guys and take unilateral action. So chill. We'll help you out (**money***) with patrol boats.

Sosilo's translator says "This guy will give you money if you say that unilateral action is not acceptable. Oh - the money is for patrol boats by the way"

Sosilo smiles broadly and thinks "Sucker - he's giving us money"

Kev goes back to Australia "See - the Indonesians agree with us"

Of course Abbott can't very easily state the bleeding obvious, because it would offend the Indonesians.

Kev 1 Tony 0

You are a coupla steps behind.

We all know that the Indonesians all know that we all know that they are all corrupt as hell - and we all know that they know that we pretend that they are corrupt because they are poor but in fact we all know and they all know that they are corrupt because they are corrupt. Culture.

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Reply #173 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:22pm

How did we know they were 'Children' ... they didn't have any ID either?
We did bone scans.

Yes, they soon get sensitive when we do something they don't like...and scream with outrage.

Drug smuggling...bad crime.
Young people make mistakes, ...they smuggle drugs, and buy illegal drugs from illegal dealers, then consume the illegal drugs [knowing full well the risks] and sometimes pay with their lives.

Bad crime, but where does Indonesia get off sentencing our children to death for doing it.

As usual, we fight with one hand behind our back because we're civilised and not barbaric...or else we could execution-feed to crocodiles at lunch time Fridays in Martin Place their criminals here, including people-smuggling boat crews.

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Reply #174 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:14pm

bambu wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

Bad crime, but where does Indonesia get off sentencing our children to death for doing it.

Indonesia is an extremely corrupt, uncivilised, barbaric country.

Premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment is perfectly acceptable to the hordes of morons residing there.

Their country, their rules I'm afraid.

I don't know why anyone would even consider going to such a place.

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Reply #175 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:31pm

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

You are a coupla steps behind.

We all know that the Indonesians all know that we all know that they are all corrupt as hell - and we all know that they know that we pretend that they are corrupt because they are poor but in fact we all know and they all know that they are corrupt because they are corrupt. Culture.

Years ago, Sosilo started off with the best intentions at least. There are subtle gradations between "corrupt" and "honest"- and that goes for our politicians too. (Honest Kev and Honest Tony).

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Reply #176 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:47pm

muso wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

You are a coupla steps behind.

We all know that the Indonesians all know that we all know that they are all corrupt as hell - and we all know that they know that we pretend that they are corrupt because they are poor but in fact we all know and they all know that they are corrupt because they are corrupt. Culture.

Years ago, Sosilo started off with the best intentions at least. There are subtle gradations between "corrupt" and "honest"- and that goes for our politicians too. (Honest Kev and Honest Tony).

Ah, best intentions. We all have those before we get into office.
Then reality hits us right between the eyes, if we are lucky. Between the legs if we ain't.

With a name like Bangbang, where the blow will fall is anyone's guess. Considering the history of Indonesian politics, I am betting the bollocks.

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Reply #177 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 10:16pm

bambu wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

How did we know they were 'Children' ... they didn't have any ID either?
We did bone scans.

Yes, they soon get sensitive when we do something they don't like...and scream with outrage.

Drug smuggling...bad crime.
Young people make mistakes, ...they smuggle drugs, and buy illegal drugs from illegal dealers, then consume the illegal drugs [knowing full well the risks] and sometimes pay with their lives.

Bad crime, but where does Indonesia get off sentencing our children to death for doing it.

As usual, we fight with one hand behind our back because we're civilised and not barbaric...or else we could execution-feed to crocodiles at lunch time Fridays in Martin Place their criminals here, including people-smuggling boat crews.

The bone scans were based on data which referred to westerners or causcasions. It was later proved conclusively incorrect when used on asians.. And they did have ID, the AFP were ignoring official Indonesion government documents which showed they were underage. I dont give a rats about drug dealers who go to a foreign country knowing full well the ramifications of their actions. Theres even a warning on your passport jacket about the DP in other countries for crissake. Theres a good case to be made that the Indos are more civilised than us. Certainly I seem to get a more intelligent conversation out of many of them than I do here sometimes.

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Reply #178 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 11:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Indonesia is an extremely corrupt, uncivilised, barbaric country.

Premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment is perfectly acceptable to the hordes of morons residing there.

Their country, their rules I'm afraid.

I don't know why anyone would even consider going to such a place.

Best to stay away from all those darkies and nig nogs eh? They are different to us , you know. They eat all that foreign muck, wear all those colourful clothes. Some of the buggers dont even speak english, imagine. The effrontery of the upstarts. Whats a white mans world come to, I ask you.

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Reply #179 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 11:09pm

ian wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 11:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Indonesia is an extremely corrupt, uncivilised, barbaric country.

Premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment is perfectly acceptable to the hordes of morons residing there.

Their country, their rules I'm afraid.

I don't know why anyone would even consider going to such a place.

Best to stay away from all those darkies and nig nogs eh?

Only if you know what's good for you.
Otherwise - go.

The Indo fvckers had no problem with locating and killing the Balibo Five.

But 40 years on, they have no fvckn idea where all those 40,000 Iranian, Afghans, Iraqis are who entered Indonesia and then miraculously disappeared, only to materialise on Christmas Island. With these fvcker they are powerless.

The five Australians they could locate and kill, no probs.

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