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Reply #240 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

you are trying to redefine the world of the DP according to your own preferences. there is no jurisdiction that I am aware of that only uses the DP for multiple murders etc. IN fact, it is a basic principle of justice that a person is judged and punished on the basis of his actual offence - not the summation of his criminal history. That is why criminal records are excluded from evidence at trial.

If you want to support the DP you need to accept that it WILL be and currently IS used for single offences.

Now if you want to clarify your position to say that you oppose the DP except for cases of serial offending then go ahead. at the moment your position is confusing.

No you asked me ages ago how would I ensure that innocent murderers don't get double tapped (a personal opinion) and I explained that is how I would ensure this. So don't then turn around and say that this is not how it is done (actual practice); I friggen know that.

This why you are confused you can't keep track of what you say and my subsequent replies; not really my problem though.

Remember this is just an esoteric discussion to fill in time; it is not real, so don't panic just because you are losing. The government isn't going to grow a set just because I'm right. We have two useless bible bashers looking for the top job, the courts will continue to let scumbags out of gaol just as fast as they always have, no matter who wins.

maybe if you posted without so much bitterness, arrogance and anger people might be able to work out what you are saying in between the bile.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #241 - Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:51pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

The DP is very much about individual case and perpetrators ...

No, it very much isn't. In Australia it's about reintroducing a particular method of punishment. Referring to individual cases and names only clouds one's judgment: bobby's posts are a case in point.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

... the crimes deserving of proper punishment.

The death penalty, however, is not a "proper punishment".

No rational citizen or civilised nation can accept the reintroduction of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment. "Proper" or otherwise.

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Reply #242 - Jul 10^th, 2013 at 7:18pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

you are trying to redefine the world of the DP according to your own preferences. there is no jurisdiction that I am aware of that only uses the DP for multiple murders etc. IN fact, it is a basic principle of justice that a person is judged and punished on the basis of his actual offence - not the summation of his criminal history. That is why criminal records are excluded from evidence at trial.

If you want to support the DP you need to accept that it WILL be and currently IS used for single offences.

Now if you want to clarify your position to say that you oppose the DP except for cases of serial offending then go ahead. at the moment your position is confusing.

No you asked me ages ago how would I ensure that innocent murderers don't get double tapped (a personal opinion) and I explained that is how I would ensure this. So don't then turn around and say that this is not how it is done (actual practice); I friggen know that.

This why you are confused you can't keep track of what you say and my subsequent replies; not really my problem though.

Remember this is just an esoteric discussion to fill in time; it is not real, so don't panic just because you are losing. The government isn't going to grow a set just because I'm right. We have two useless bible bashers looking for the top job, the courts will continue to let scumbags out of gaol just as fast as they always have, no matter who wins.

So you would like to introduce evidence about a person's past crimes in order to make it easier to convict them for the offence that they are currently accused of committing?

Thank you. You don't realise it just yet, but you have made a very good argument against why we should not allow the death penalty.

Give yourself time, you will see it eventually.

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Reply #243 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 7:10am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

you are trying to redefine the world of the DP according to your own preferences. there is no jurisdiction that I am aware of that only uses the DP for multiple murders etc. IN fact, it is a basic principle of justice that a person is judged and punished on the basis of his actual offence - not the summation of his criminal history. That is why criminal records are excluded from evidence at trial.

If you want to support the DP you need to accept that it WILL be and currently IS used for single offences.

Now if you want to clarify your position to say that you oppose the DP except for cases of serial offending then go ahead. at the moment your position is confusing.

No you asked me ages ago how would I ensure that innocent murderers don't get double tapped (a personal opinion) and I explained that is how I would ensure this. So don't then turn around and say that this is not how it is done (actual practice); I friggen know that.

This why you are confused you can't keep track of what you say and my subsequent replies; not really my problem though.

Remember this is just an esoteric discussion to fill in time; it is not real, so don't panic just because you are losing. The government isn't going to grow a set just because I'm right. We have two useless bible bashers looking for the top job, the courts will continue to let scumbags out of gaol just as fast as they always have, no matter who wins.

maybe if you posted without so much bitterness, arrogance and anger people might be able to work out what you are saying in between the bile.

I think if you look back at our interaction it is ONLY you utilising abuse and personal insults here. It is youer fall back position for when you are losing an argument.

Ohh that and outragious lies hoping that I will ignore the statement and everyone else stupidly accpet it a truth.

Wrong on all counts. Grin

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Reply #244 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 7:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

The DP is very much about individual case and perpetrators ...

No, it very much isn't. In Australia it's about reintroducing a particular method of punishment. Referring to individual cases and names only clouds one's judgment: bobby's posts are a case in point.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

... the crimes deserving of proper punishment.

The death penalty, however, is not a "proper punishment".

No rational citizen or civilised nation can accept the reintroduction of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment. "Proper" or otherwise.

You should start all your statements with "In my personal and ignorant opinion..........", so as not to have people think there is a modicum of truth to what you have to say.

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Reply #245 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 7:19am

Luke Fowler wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

you are trying to redefine the world of the DP according to your own preferences. there is no jurisdiction that I am aware of that only uses the DP for multiple murders etc. IN fact, it is a basic principle of justice that a person is judged and punished on the basis of his actual offence - not the summation of his criminal history. That is why criminal records are excluded from evidence at trial.

If you want to support the DP you need to accept that it WILL be and currently IS used for single offences.

Now if you want to clarify your position to say that you oppose the DP except for cases of serial offending then go ahead. at the moment your position is confusing.

No you asked me ages ago how would I ensure that innocent murderers don't get double tapped (a personal opinion) and I explained that is how I would ensure this. So don't then turn around and say that this is not how it is done (actual practice); I friggen know that.

This why you are confused you can't keep track of what you say and my subsequent replies; not really my problem though.

Remember this is just an esoteric discussion to fill in time; it is not real, so don't panic just because you are losing. The government isn't going to grow a set just because I'm right. We have two useless bible bashers looking for the top job, the courts will continue to let scumbags out of gaol just as fast as they always have, no matter who wins.

So you would like to introduce evidence about a person's past crimes in order to make it easier to convict them for the offence that they are currently accused of committing?

Thank you. You don't realise it just yet, but you have made a very good argument against why we should not allow the death penalty.

Give yourself time, you will see it eventually.

That is NOT what I said theat is what longy said so as to undermine my initial statement; maybe you should have just read my statement and answered that instead of longy's.

I'll type it out again just for you.

Persons who conduct multipe murders, before they get caught, it does happen you know, are such that evidenc over multiple crimes at mutiple scenes will ensure that there is little doubt (NOT a legal term) they were the purportrators. So we don't double tap an innocent person. (This is an OPINION peice, this is NOT a legal argument, so don't go all perry moron sorry mason)

So we are talking about a spree not indiviual and separate cases over a lifetieme; do you understand the difference; or do I have to dumb it dow even further for you?

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #249 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 1:32pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

So you would like to introduce evidence about a person's past crimes in order to make it easier to convict them for the offence that they are currently accused of committing?

Thank you. You don't realise it just yet, but you have made a very good argument against why we should not allow the death penalty.

Give yourself time, you will see it eventually.

A convicted persons previous criminal history already is used in sentencing. Were you not aware of that?

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Reply #250 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 7:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

The DP is very much about individual case and perpetrators ...

No, it very much isn't. In Australia it's about reintroducing a particular method of punishment. Referring to individual cases and names only clouds one's judgment: bobby's posts are a case in point.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

... the crimes deserving of proper punishment.

The death penalty, however, is not a "proper punishment".

No rational citizen or civilised nation can accept the reintroduction of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment. "Proper" or otherwise.

You should start all your statements with "In my personal and ignorant opinion..........", so as not to have people think there is a modicum of truth to what you have to say.

LOL Love the irony.

I honestly can't envisage the day that I take advice from one of the most ignorant trolls on this forum.

Thanks though. No, really. Thank you. Grin

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Reply #251 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 2:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

BigOl ,
I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose -
I'll be watching you.

You have the same peurile schoolboy humour as my nephew, kinda amusing from an 11 yr old, very pathetic from an adult

Try to not get too snotty when I treat you like a sad and pathetic man-child; it's all your doing

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Reply #252 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 2:40pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

BigOl ,
I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose -
I'll be watching you.

You have the same peurile schoolboy humour as my nephew, kinda amusing from an 11 yr old, very pathetic from an adult

Try to not get too snotty when I treat you like a sad and pathetic man-child; it's all your doing

BigOl -
that name sounds like royalty -
are you royalty?
From now on your name is Gomer Pyle -
do you like that name?

Grin

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Reply #253 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

LOL Love the irony.

I honestly can't envisage the day that I take advice from one of the most ignorant trolls on this forum.

Thanks though. No, really. Thank you. Grin

Odd how both you and longy resort to lies and personal abuse when you sart losing ground.

But you never had much of an argumentto start with.

Killing is bad, mmkay

You shouldn't kill, killing is bad ......... mmkay

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Reply #254 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 4:09pm

ian wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

So you would like to introduce evidence about a person's past crimes in order to make it easier to convict them for the offence that they are currently accused of committing?

Thank you. You don't realise it just yet, but you have made a very good argument against why we should not allow the death penalty.

Give yourself time, you will see it eventually.

A convicted persons previous criminal history already is used in sentencing. Were you not aware of that?

it is used in SENTENCING, not in a trials deliberations of guilt. A previous criminal record is considered prejudicial (and it is).

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