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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #30 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:42am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Longy thinks that no one deserves such a penalty.

It's not a case of anyone "deserving" such a penalty.

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

Thankfully we do live in such a society and it's reassuring to know that barbaric practices such as capital punishment will never be reintroduced in this country.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

Would like him to get another good behavior bond?

If he was hanged after the first rape then 22 other women would have been saved from being raped & Jill would still be alive.

Surely his early hanging would have done a great service for our society?

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

How else could you have saved those 22 women?

Life Without Parole.

how about NO Life without parole ??

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #31 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Longy thinks that no one deserves such a penalty.

It's not a case of anyone "deserving" such a penalty.

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

Thankfully we do live in such a society and it's reassuring to know that barbaric practices such as capital punishment will never be reintroduced in this country.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

Would like him to get another good behavior bond?

If he was hanged after the first rape then 22 other women would have been saved from being raped & Jill would still be alive.

Surely his early hanging would have done a great service for our society?

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

How else could you have saved those 22 women?

Life Without Parole.

No one would ever get that for rape under our system.
A good behavior bond would be the normal sentence.
The fact that he could rape 22 women & then kill the last one
shows that your ideas don't work.

A $5 piece of rope would have done the trick.

Change the system.

yep change the system and introduce the death penalty for those that can't be rehabilitated !!

They are faulty goods and should be discarded !!

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #32 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Longy thinks that no one deserves such a penalty.

It's not a case of anyone "deserving" such a penalty.

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

Thankfully we do live in such a society and it's reassuring to know that barbaric practices such as capital punishment will never be reintroduced in this country.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

Would like him to get another good behavior bond?

If he was hanged after the first rape then 22 other women would have been saved from being raped & Jill would still be alive.

Surely his early hanging would have done a great service for our society?

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

How else could you have saved those 22 women?

Life Without Parole.

No one would ever get that for rape under our system.
A good behavior bond would be the normal sentence.
The fact that he could rape 22 women & then kill the last one
shows that your ideas don't work.

A $5 piece of rope would have done the trick.

Change the system.

I agree - the mandatory death penalty on the 2nd conviction for rape

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #33 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:48am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Longy thinks that no one deserves such a penalty.

It's not a case of anyone "deserving" such a penalty.

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

Thankfully we do live in such a society and it's reassuring to know that barbaric practices such as capital punishment will never be reintroduced in this country.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

Would like him to get another good behavior bond?

If he was hanged after the first rape then 22 other women would have been saved from being raped & Jill would still be alive.

Surely his early hanging would have done a great service for our society?

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

How else could you have saved those 22 women?

Life Without Parole.

No one would ever get that for rape under our system.
A good behavior bond would be the normal sentence.
The fact that he could rape 22 women & then kill the last one
shows that your ideas don't work.

A $5 piece of rope would have done the trick.

Change the system.

I agree - the mandatory death penalty on the 2nd conviction for rape

Can't agree with you there bobby.

I'm against premeditated state-sanctioned killing, and I'm also against mandatory sentencing.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Too nice a day to be discussing this anyway.

I'm off to enjoy the sunshine (and food, and wine) in the wonderful Swan Valley.

Have a good day bobby.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #34 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:03pm

Greggery,
Can't agree with you there bobby.
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I'm against premeditated state-sanctioned killing, and I'm also against mandatory sentencing.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Too nice a day to be discussing this anyway.

I'm off to enjoy the sunshine (and food, and wine) in the wonderful Swan Valley.

Have a good day bobby.

It is a nice day.
We'll discuss it another time.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #35 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 8:23am:

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 7:20am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

as several people have already said, it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you. You have shown your integrity by refusing to accept the Singapore law Society's article on Singapore law. You quite clearly only ever accept evidence - even ridiculous blog claims - if they agree with your own opinion. It would be like casting our pearls before swine. You are a stupid person.

inability to supply any factual information noted. i.e. you are a lair. Henceforth you shall be known as Long Liar, or Liar for short.

Longy has a somewhat hollow but seemingly rational argument to not execute anyone, until you present an actual valid counter argument then his unravels pretty rapidly and he slinks off into the darkness.

This has occurred on many, many occasions and always with the same outcome. Mind you it did last longer with his new 'reach around' partner greg constantly agreeing with everything he said. But greg is as weak as p1ss too.

Yes BigOl,
Longy thinks that no one deserves such a penalty.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley, the man guilty of the rape and murder of Jill Meagher?

If he was hanged after the first rape then 22 other women would have been saved from being raped & Jill would still be alive.

Surely his early hanging would have done a great service for our society?

so shoudl we have hanged Lindy Chamberlain???

oh thats right.... she was innocent. would you have even cared?

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Reply #36 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:25pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 8:23am:

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 7:20am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

as several people have already said, it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you. You have shown your integrity by refusing to accept the Singapore law Society's article on Singapore law. You quite clearly only ever accept evidence - even ridiculous blog claims - if they agree with your own opinion. It would be like casting our pearls before swine. You are a stupid person.

inability to supply any factual information noted. i.e. you are a lair. Henceforth you shall be known as Long Liar, or Liar for short.

Longy has a somewhat hollow but seemingly rational argument to not execute anyone, until you present an actual valid counter argument then his unravels pretty rapidly and he slinks off into the darkness.

This has occurred on many, many occasions and always with the same outcome. Mind you it did last longer with his new 'reach around' partner greg constantly agreeing with everything he said. But greg is as weak as p1ss too.

firstly greg and I agree on this one topic and disagree on everything else. and there is absolutely nothing even REMOTELY rational and logical about your position. you simply want to kill people and thik the DP gives your bloodlust some validity. you dont even care for the wrongly accused.

I never stated that I "simply want to kill people", so that would be another lie.

I countered your bullsh1t excuse for 'wrongly accused', so that is yet another lie.

Without the ability to lie at every turn you have nothing to say at all.

I can see why you do it, your position is weak and your argument flawed.

what other reason could there possibly be fore your bloodlust? you DO want to kill. thats why you support the death penatly but have little interest in he crimes or the innocence of some that are convicted.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #37 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:27pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you.

this is a well worn excuse used by many of the neo cons whenever they make up facts. Pathetic ... either put up evidence or shut up .... don't try to pretend you are being practical by not putting up evidence, only you idiots would ever believe it anyway.

ian is not the average bozo. When shown 74 studies that conclude that the DP is not a deterrent he said they were wrong. When shown an articl from the Singapre Law Society about Singaprean law he simply rejected it.

so why would anyone bother showing him evidence since he will unilaterally reject anything he likes. Even you dont do that most of the time.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #38 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you.

this is a well worn excuse used by many of the neo cons whenever they make up facts. Pathetic ... either put up evidence or shut up .... don't try to pretend you are being practical by not putting up evidence, only you idiots would ever believe it anyway.

ian is not the average bozo. When shown 74 studies that conclude that the DP is not a deterrent he said they were wrong. When shown an articl from the Singapre Law Society about Singaprean law he simply rejected it.

so why would anyone bother showing him evidence since he will unilaterally reject anything he likes. Even you dont do that most of the time.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

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Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Longy thinks that no one deserves such a penalty.

It's not a case of anyone "deserving" such a penalty.

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

Thankfully we do live in such a society and it's reassuring to know that barbaric practices such as capital punishment will never be reintroduced in this country.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

Would like him to get another good behavior bond?

If he was hanged after the first rape then 22 other women would have been saved from being raped & Jill would still be alive.

Surely his early hanging would have done a great service for our society?

Introducing particular cases and names to the debate is irrelevant. It's about the death penalty, not the crimes.

It's a case of us wanting to live in a civilised society that does not use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a punishment.

How else could you have saved those 22 women?

Life Without Parole.

No one would ever get that for rape under our system.
A good behavior bond would be the normal sentence.
The fact that he could rape 22 women & then kill the last one
shows that your ideas don't work.

A $5 piece of rope would have done the trick.

Change the system.

I agree - the mandatory death penalty on the 2nd conviction for rape

Can't agree with you there bobby.

I'm against premeditated state-sanctioned killing, and I'm also against mandatory sentencing.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Too nice a day to be discussing this anyway.

I'm off to enjoy the sunshine (and food, and wine) in the wonderful Swan Valley.

Have a good day bobby.

mandatory sentencing is daft and one of the reasons for that ios the vast range of offences under the title 'rape'. Rape at its lowest level is sticking your FINGER in someones mouth with their consent. you might want to redefine your word 'rape' better than that or better still allow a judge to asses the level of the crime. Funnily enough, that is exactly what we have now where some sum gets 55 years for rape while another gets a bond. ever wondered why??? perhaps because the offences bore virtually nothing in common?

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Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you.

this is a well worn excuse used by many of the neo cons whenever they make up facts. Pathetic ... either put up evidence or shut up .... don't try to pretend you are being practical by not putting up evidence, only you idiots would ever believe it anyway.

ian is not the average bozo. When shown 74 studies that conclude that the DP is not a deterrent he said they were wrong. When shown an articl from the Singapre Law Society about Singaprean law he simply rejected it.

so why would anyone bother showing him evidence since he will unilaterally reject anything he likes. Even you dont do that most of the time.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

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what about him? as you have been told plenty of times, this is a discussion about the DP not one particular offence. if you cant move beyond thinking-by-example to thinking-by-principle then you will not add anything to this debate.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2)
Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you.

this is a well worn excuse used by many of the neo cons whenever they make up facts. Pathetic ... either put up evidence or shut up .... don't try to pretend you are being practical by not putting up evidence, only you idiots would ever believe it anyway.

ian is not the average bozo. When shown 74 studies that conclude that the DP is not a deterrent he said they were wrong. When shown an articl from the Singapre Law Society about Singaprean law he simply rejected it.

so why would anyone bother showing him evidence since he will unilaterally reject anything he likes. Even you dont do that most of the time.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

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what about him? as you have been told plenty of times, this is a discussion about the DP not one particular offence. if you cant move beyond thinking-by-example to thinking-by-principle then you will not add anything to this debate.

Longy,
you'd be the type of judge that criminals would love.

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Reply #42 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:25pm:

what other reason could there possibly be fore your bloodlust? you DO want to kill. thats why you support the death penatly but have little interest in he crimes or the innocence of some that are convicted.

My blood-lust? Grin

Are you fvcken serious?

You have the debating skills of a teenage girl at a One Direction concert, how about you calm the bugger down and debate like an adult male for a change

I have already answer this false accusation, while you were on the board, so if you want to feign innocent ignorance as to what I wrote I'm more than happy to find it an re-post it here.

But for bugger sake grow a set will ya, you're embarrassing the entire male population with your over the top emotional argument.

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Reply #43 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Still waiting for Longfraud to show his evidence.

it is pointless to show evidence of any kind on any topic to you.

this is a well worn excuse used by many of the neo cons whenever they make up facts. Pathetic ... either put up evidence or shut up .... don't try to pretend you are being practical by not putting up evidence, only you idiots would ever believe it anyway.

ian is not the average bozo. When shown 74 studies that conclude that the DP is not a deterrent he said they were wrong. When shown an articl from the Singapre Law Society about Singaprean law he simply rejected it.

so why would anyone bother showing him evidence since he will unilaterally reject anything he likes. Even you dont do that most of the time.

What about Adrian Ernest Bayley?

\

what about him? as you have been told plenty of times, this is a discussion about the DP not one particular offence. if you cant move beyond thinking-by-example to thinking-by-principle then you will not add anything to this debate.

Longy,
you'd be the type of judge that criminals would love.

not at all. I would probably be slightly harder than average. You seem to think because a person opposes the DP on principle that makes them soft on crime. Not at all. I am in favour of options that actually work and it has been shown categorically that the DP does not work and in fact slightly increases violent crime. This is one of the reasons judges and other law offices generally dont support the DP because they KNOW it doesnt work,

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104630 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd (pt 2) Reply #44 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:49pm Longy, you're another one like your mate BigOl who needs some time in the army to be sorted out with some reality from a drill Sergeant.
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