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Reply #30 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:37am

____ wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 9:15pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

The left believe that Indonesia and the people smugglers should formulate our border protection policy.

The Right, they think they know everything yet as revealed by I.B are drowning in ignorance.

The Left see people as people and so they deserve respect and humane treatment. This is the driver behind Greens' position on immigrants.

Well perhaps the country shoppers should migrate here lawfully like the majority did eh.
It's good to see you finally see these immigrants for what they are.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Indonesians Dislike Mr Abbott's Approach. Reply #31 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.
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Socrates Gold Member Offline A Dog With A Bone Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Indonesians Dislike Mr Abbott's Approach. Reply #32 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am Again, not surprising, he has integrity and won't make KRUDD like promises to them. He wants to protect this country and stop the country being used as a never ending Lotto win for the illegals.
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Re: Indonesians Dislike Mr Abbott's Approach.
Reply #33 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

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Reply #34 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

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Re: Indonesians Dislike Mr Abbott's Approach.
Reply #35 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:59am

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm.
The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however.
That boat was in International waters.

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Reply #37 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:18am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm.
The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however.
That boat was in International waters.

I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers.

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Reply #38 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm.
The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however.
That boat was in International waters.

I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers.

Christmas Island is still regarded as Australian territory even though it is closer to Indonesia.
This is why border protection command patrols there.

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Reply #39 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm.
The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however.
That boat was in International waters.

I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers.

Christmas Island is still regarded as Australian territory even though it is closer to Indonesia.
This is why border protection command patrols there.

Your highlighted point doesn't disprove that statement. It's true. My point is- the Australian government is making the journey easier by picking up boats after only travelling 40 nautical miles. They've done everything to help people smugglers.

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Reply #40 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 2:30pm

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

You are starting to see Indonesia's true colours. The last load of refugees were saved 40 nautical miles off Java. That has to be Indonesian waters. Do we have some dumb do-gooder running the navy now. This whole thing is just a joke.

NO, we have a smart naval officer onboard that ship who would have received his orders from Border Protection Command, who receives his orders from the fleet Admiral, who receives his orders from the defence minister or something like that.
Defence is always required to execute the will of the government, no matter how ill conceived or thought out it is.

So people smugglers only have to get their clients 40 nautical miles off Indonesia, scuttle the boat and the navy will bring them in. 40 nautical miles is nothing. People go that distance to catch tuna off Sydney in recreational vessels. I can see why this fiasco is still going. Whoever is telling them to do it is sending our navy into foreign waters to fix another countries problem. It thought that was illegal.

The limit of Indonesian sovereign waters is the standard 20nm.
The limit of Indonesian maritime responsibilities extends further however.
That boat was in International waters.

I concede. It's 23 nautical miles. Why then is the Australian Navy hundreds of kms off our mainland , well into international waters, meddling in some other countries self caused border issues? It's like our Navy is been ordered to circle Indonesian waters like a shark looking to clean up a mess. It's not smacking mess either. We are supposed to be deterring people smugglers.

Christmas Island is still regarded as Australian territory even though it is closer to Indonesia.
This is why border protection command patrols there.

Your highlighted point doesn't disprove that statement. It's true. My point is- the Australian government is making the journey easier by picking up boats after only travelling 40 nautical miles. They've done everything to help people smugglers.

This is what Labor has done for five years.
They are the best friend a foreign criminal people smuggler would want.
Thanks to Labor, employment in the foreign people smuggling trade has risen 200x.

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Reply #42 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

Shock as Indonesia might not like a process where they need to be more accountable than the precious bugger all that they do to help right now.....

We have to grease the corrupt Indonesian bastards better than the people smugglers do. Otherwise Indonesia will 'dislike' our approach.

Asian century, innit.

None of this rule of law and what's right shite. It's all about the 'bakhshish gimme'.

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Reply #43 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 12:22am

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

Shock as Indonesia might not like a process where they need to be more accountable than the precious bugger all that they do to help right now.....

We have to grease the corrupt Indonesian bastards better than the people smugglers do. Otherwise Indonesia will 'dislike' our approach.

Asian century, innit.

None of this rule of law and what's right shite. It's all about the 'bakhshish gimme'.

Good heavens. Only just realized that one, old chap?

Don’t let the Yarpie kbow you’re onto him. Let’s just keep this baksheesh stuff between you and I, eh?

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Reply #44 - Jul 8^th, 2013 at 3:58pm

Check it out.....myths busted!!!!

I told you it was a storm in a teacup, right whingers, but keep up the outrage, it's always good for a laugh.

Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters

DO you believe that thousands of illegal boat people are swamping our shores in unprecedented numbers and threatening Australian jobs and the economy?
You wouldn't be the only person to do so - and you'll be hearing more about it as politicians jockey for your vote ahead of the federal election.
Asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters is likely to be one of the top issues

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-bo...

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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