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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	The Undemocratic Liberal Party Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am ABC's Insiders. Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal. So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic. Shame Libs, Shame !
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Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party
Reply #1 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:28am

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

oh gawd here we go again clutching at straws...oh to see the demise of the greens.. all loonies.

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Reply #2 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:31am

cods wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

oh gawd here we go again clutching at straws...oh to see the demise of the greens.. all loonies.

Deflecting again.

Julie wants to be foreign minister. This means she wants to represent Australia o/s as wishy washy country on democracy.

Facists !

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74875 Gender:	Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party Reply #3 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:33am cods wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:28am: oh gawd here we go again clutching at straws... seems you don't mind clutching at them yourself, when it suits your agenda !!!!
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Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party
Reply #4 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting - regarding matters clearly of conscience

When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are
And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start

Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one

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'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party Reply #5 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:08am ____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am: So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony ! errr - isn't that exactly what happened to Krudd, then Gillard?
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Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party
Reply #6 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:25am

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

errr - isn't that exactly what happened to Krudd, then Gillard?

Thanks for posting that since Libs have complained their guts out over these removals while approving others.

More hypocrisy from the libs.

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Reply #7 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:51am

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people.
The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals.
And of course the hate for Israel and Jews.

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Reply #8 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 11:44am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people.
The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals.
And of course the hate for Israel and Jews.

So now Liberals have degrees of democracy.

A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right?

Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom.

Freedom from logic?

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Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party
Reply #9 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 11:51am

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 11:44am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 10:51am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

I would suggest to research what the democratically elected government of Egypt had planned for that country and it's long suffering people.
The Muslim Brotherhood is not a tolerant entity, and would have taken Egypt back to the days of repression for western foreigners, women, Christians and homosexuals.
And of course the hate for Israel and Jews.

So now Liberals have degrees of democracy.

A democratically elected government is only a democratically elected government if it has a certain agenda according to the right?

Whats all this bull about Libs being the party of freedom.

Freedom from logic?

The Lieberal Party outright does not believe in democracy they what they mean when they say they believe in small Government is that they believe in no Government...only the market....

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Reply #10 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:15pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting - regarding matters clearly of conscience

When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are
And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start

Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one

what wank is this??? how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose.

hypocrtie.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #11 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting - regarding matters clearly of conscience

When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are
And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start

Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one

what wank is this??? how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose.

hypocrtie.

Would of been happy with a conscience vote on the right's illegal invasion in Afghanistans or Iraq.

Unfortunately Libs didn't want a debate since that would be too democratic for the supposed 'freedom party'.

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Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party
Reply #12 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

ABC's Insiders.

Julie Opposes Democratic Leadership

Julie Bishops said that the egyptian leader had loss support so she "didn't" criticise his removal.

So democratically elected leaders can be removed when there support collapses. Watch out Tony !

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

Shame Libs, Shame !

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2011/09/crossing-the-floor

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Between 1950 and 2004, of the 14,243 divisions called in both houses of the Australian Federal Parliament (counting the way an MP voted), 493 divisions involved members crossing the floor. Of those members, 63% were from the Liberal Party; 26% were from the National/Country Party and 11% were from the ALP

89% from the Coalition

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When elected to parliament all ALP parliamentarians are subject to section 5 (d) of the ALP Constitution. It reads:

The Federal Parliamentary Labor Party shall have authority in properly constituted Caucus meetings to make decisions directed towards establishing the collective attitude of the Parliamentary Party to any question or matter in the Federal Parliament, subject to: at all times taking such action which may be possible to implement the Party's Platform and Conference decisions; on questions or matters which are not subject to National Platform or Conferenceor Executive decisions, the majority decision of Caucus being binding upon all members in the parliament.

Hanging over the heads of all ALP Members of Parliament is the threat of expulsion from the party and the possibility of never being selected again as an ALP candidate in future elections. A parting gift to those who fail to toe the party-line is usually the bestowing of the title “Labor Rat”. These three threats are a terrific incentive to remain mute. Bite your tongue. Say nothing!

The solidarity pledge, and the implied threats if the pledge is broken, succeeds in stopping ALP parliamentarians having a view of their own, that is contrary to Caucus, and expressing that view in parliament. It is in effect, a curtailment of exercising their parliamentary right to speak and vote according to their own belief or conscience and indeed expressing the views of their electorate.

Shame Greenswin Shame

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Reply #13 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:32pm

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting - regarding matters clearly of conscience

When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are
And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start

Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one

what wank is this??? how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters??? nope, you just want conscience votes when you think you can win biut not when you think you might lose.

hypocrtie.

Would of been happy with a conscience vote on the right's illegal invasion in Afghanistans or Iraq.

Unfortunately Libs didn't want a debate since that would be too democratic for the supposed 'freedom party'.

why not have conscience votes ALL THE TIME??? the carbon tax would never have made it thru and probably not workchoices either.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: The Undemocratic Liberal Party
Reply #14 - Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

____ wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Liberals have now revealed themselves as anti democratic.

The Liberal Party of Australia lost any sense of democracy the day Tony Abbott slapped a ban on conscience voting - regarding matters clearly of conscience

When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are
And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start

Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one

what wank is this??? how about a concsience vote on abortion or carbon tax or other matters???

ABORTION ?

Well - OBVIOUSLY

BOTH being "matters of conscience" - and to the detriment or benefit of NO-ONE outside of a pregnant woman and a same sex couple

For too long influential but non-representative christianist politicians and christianist lobby groups have held control over other people's lives, way out of proportion to their small number

Climate change, carbon pricing and emission trading schemes affect ALL - from the national to international communities
Matters of science are best left to EXPERTS in the field

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'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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