Spotty you accused me of ignoring stuff I had not at that point seen.
You need to have some patience Spotty and not accuse people falsley

Unfortunately I' don't sit here 24 hrs a day and unfortunately this site is not functioning at 100%. ignoring

One at a time people one at a time...  patience there is only me at this end.

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Nope just conjecture on your behalf and not the truth either.  The Libs have from day 1 asked, begged, told the government to re-implement the Howard government's pacific solution.  Rudd when he first came in started undoing all what Howard had put in place.  That is not Abbott saying NO at all.  Finally the government started to reapply the Pacific Solution measures but as yet they have no implemented them all.  Why not.  If it fails they could have used it against the liberal party.  were they afraid it might have worked.  With their allies the Greens labor could have passed their policies.  But not only the Greens but the courts themselves stopped labor changing laws to aid them in implementing the rather hasty and poorly negotiated malaysian solution.  I hardly consider an 5 for 1 swap equitable.

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Really.  Could it be that the ALP who now consider themselves a purely progressive party were on a membership drive?  The Howard policy saw an end to the people Smuggling problem Rudd's meddling reintroduced it.  If you want to talk lives or deaths you need look no further.

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So far he is only opposition leader.  what has 6 years of Labor done?  Answer....  nothing constructive.  just ask the Indonesians. 

Like I said the Libs have criticised a failed policy...  that is not negative.

mantra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:


Well I'd say you are ignorant or a liar but I know that would just upset you and you'd run to the mods and annoy them...  so I won't.

The Coalition has policies.
"Battlelines" was just amended and re-released.
The Coaltion's main theme is HOPE mantra.  A hard thing to turn into a negative.  It remains very positive about the country's future.  But it doesn't ignore the policies and incompetence of the last 2 ALP ALP/Green governments.  Neither would any sane person.

Those who ignore the past, condemn the future...

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:


the libs have criticised EVERYTHING  .... not just failed policies ..EVERYTHING .... find one positive thing they have acknowledged over the last 3 years?

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:


It wasn’t a failed policy, it was a policy that was never voted through parliament because the Libs opposed it.

The government’s advice - from Immigration and the Huston panel was that the Pacific Solution implimented "in full" would not work anymore.

The advice Tony Burke has just received from his department is that the Malaysian "solution" would not work now either. The numbers of arrivals are now too high. The time for that policy - like the Pacific Solution - has now passed.

This is a sensible discussion on a complex problem. Repeating the same old policies and behaviours does not always work. STOP THE BOATS is a nice idea, but how?

The Pacific Solution is no solution at all, which we’ll all find out when the Libs get in.

What then? Vote Abbott back out in three years?

That doesn’t fix the problem either. This policy needs to be bipartisan and free of wedge politics to work.

And yes, in hindsight (although I thought differently at the time), it was a mistake to abandon the Pacific Solution.

That doesn’t mean it would work today.

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:


Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:


Lets try to keep up and not keep backsliding here ok... you guys complained at how slow I was going...  sheesh.

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Having already shown our defence is not so robust as he claimed Rudd is already off to a bad start.  He is saying here that any criticism of the government, or its policies, or the economy… is talking Australia down.  He is inferring (as ever) that Abbott and the Opposition are doing just that. They are not.  When in Opposition, he did the exact same things the Opposition have been doing.  Then, he called it messing with Howard’s mind.  Criticism, dissent and indeed policy amendment, are things done by all parties and even some independents, it is not talking Australia down.

His inference is that Abbott and the Coalition are talking Australia down, and so are not doing their job. They are the Opposition, and as such they are the major voice Australians have to disagree with the government.  To hold them to account.  It is not wrong for them to do so.  It is not “plain wrong” at all. It is expected and necessary that in our national political debate there are voices of dissent.

Hence Rudd has lied yet again, and proved himself disingenuous and hypocritical at the same time.

It is important that anyone in politics should be an honest broker and provide the population with correct information at all times. Pity that during elections the truth is often hard to discern especially when the rusted-on fail to address reality whilst barracking for their  “team”.  (Now that last para is indeed my opinion.)
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It ain't daily, not necessarily negative and certainly does not have the single objective he mentions.

Hope that helps.
We all know the major Labor tactic is to attack Abbott at every opportunity anyone watching Australian politics is aware of that aware of the paint Tony as negative tactic, blame tony for everything tactic.  Now if that isn't negative then what is.  On almost a daily occurrence Mp after MP from Labor repeat the same lines re Abbott...  somehow they slip them in even when they are totally off topic...  repeat a lie often enough that is the tactic.

Kevin is a master of it.

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What point did you make Phil...  ?

I have seen Abbott be negative and the Libs mindlessly so.  But nowhere near as much or as badly as the ALP.

But what Rudd is inferring and saying is a lie.  That is the topic here.

Labor even eat their own Phil.
have a nice day 

ps. phil what you fail to acknowledge is that constructive criticism has led to labor having to address policy and implementation failures.  that is a positive, not a negative.
Hmmm  i'm sure I said that before Phil.