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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:45pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Sorry Skip I only just noticed it.
Wrong as usual eh...

So where's the text hmmm...

Gotta do everything myself eh. I won't be going into great depth on everything ok just the 61 I already noted.

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Instead it is based on a cold, hard analysis of the facts – including our ability to manage change when change is necessary.

According to Tony Burke he recently stated that the government failed to change policy fast enough to adapt to the changing circumstances re boat people and people smuggling from Indonesia.

A meeting of all stakeholders and the Industry involved was not held by Minister Garrett until after deaths had occurred due to the governments badly conceived Pink Batts scheme.

The East Timor processing scheme... fail.
Fuelwatch... fail.
Grocerywatch... fail.
The Malaysia people swap deal... fail.
The MRRT... fail.
The added cost due to changes to power pricing due to ALP/Green policies.

All fails when it comes to implementation and the need for the government to change policy direction when it became necessary.

So you lied when you said Rudd had told 61 lies, boof? We all knew you did, that is obviously why Smithy started this thread for you big fella. Grin

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:51pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Sorry Skip I only just noticed it.
Wrong as usual eh...

So where's the text hmmm...

Gotta do everything myself eh. I won't be going into great depth on everything ok just the 61 I already noted.

Lie1.
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Instead it is based on a cold, hard analysis of the facts – including our ability to manage change when change is necessary.

According to Tony Burke he recently stated that the government failed to change policy fast enough to adapt to the changing circumstances re boat people and people smuggling from Indonesia.

A meeting of all stakeholders and the Industry involved was not held by Minister Garrett until after deaths had occurred due to the governments badly conceived Pink Batts scheme.

The East Timor processing scheme... fail.
Fuelwatch... fail.
Grocerywatch... fail.
The Malaysia people swap deal... fail.
The MRRT... fail.
The added cost due to changes to power pricing due to ALP/Green policies.

All fails when it comes to implementation and the need for the government to change policy direction when it became necessary.

Grendel, Old Chap. I dunno whether you are aware of it, but really this is your Waterloo. You made the bold claim that Rudd lied 61 times in his address to the Press Club today.

Time to stump up Elde Fruit. Get on with it, or...................??

I reckon you should just take the hit on this one.....and get ready for more on other issues.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:54pm Boofy never takes the hit,Aussie, you should know that by now. He would rather dig a bigger hole then hope the thread gets buried. We should keep bumping the thread.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:09pm I'm gonna do you all slowly... 1 lie at a time. I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile. So far me 1... backed up by the F A C T S.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #19 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:11pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

Boofy never takes the hit,Aussie, you should know that by now. He would rather dig a bigger hole then hope the thread gets buried. We should keep bumping the thread. Grin

Well....okay, if you like. But....it has been a very good demonstration about how anyone who reads what is said can make a total tit of a poster who makes really silly claims they have absolutely zero chance of substantiating.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal Reply #20 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:19pm I'm still waiting... I can wait till tomorrow.. or later. Is that all you've got? Nothing...
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #21 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

I'm still waiting... I can wait till tomorrow.. or later.

Is that all you've got? Nothing...

Roll Eyes

Let's make sure we are all on the same page.

Mr Grendel it is true that you said that Rudd told 61 lies in his speech to the Press Club in Canberra today. *tick*

It is true that you have been asked to list those 61 lies. *tick*

Would you mind getting on with listing those aforesaid 61 lies?

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #22 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

I'm gonna do you all slowly...

1 lie at a time.

I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile.

So far me 1... backed up by the F A C T S. Wink

There was nothing worth the effort, One piss ant opinion which was 70% incorrect and 30% irrelevant or maybe the other way around. Certainly no Lie to it.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #23 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:54pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Sorry Skip I only just noticed it.
Wrong as usual eh...

So where's the text hmmm...

Gotta do everything myself eh. I won't be going into great depth on everything ok just the 61 I already noted.

Lie1.
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Instead it is based on a cold, hard analysis of the facts – including our ability to manage change when change is necessary.

According to Tony Burke he recently stated that the government failed to change policy fast enough to adapt to the changing circumstances re boat people and people smuggling from Indonesia.

A meeting of all stakeholders and the Industry involved was not held by Minister Garrett until after deaths had occurred due to the governments badly conceived Pink Batts scheme.

The East Timor processing scheme... fail.
Fuelwatch... fail.
Grocerywatch... fail.
The Malaysia people swap deal... fail.
The MRRT... fail.
The added cost due to changes to power pricing due to ALP/Green policies.

All fails when it comes to implementation and the need for the government to change policy direction when it became necessary.

Weren’t most of those lies blocked by Mr Abbott in parliament?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75356 Gender:	Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal Reply #24 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:58pm Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:09pm: I'm gonna do you all slowly... 1 lie at a time. I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile. So far me 1... backed up by the F A C T S. You haven't given any facts, only opinions .... you seem to struggle with understanding the difference between the two.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #25 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 10:08pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:54pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Sorry Skip I only just noticed it.
Wrong as usual eh...

So where's the text hmmm...

Gotta do everything myself eh. I won't be going into great depth on everything ok just the 61 I already noted.

Lie1.
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Instead it is based on a cold, hard analysis of the facts – including our ability to manage change when change is necessary.

According to Tony Burke he recently stated that the government failed to change policy fast enough to adapt to the changing circumstances re boat people and people smuggling from Indonesia.

A meeting of all stakeholders and the Industry involved was not held by Minister Garrett until after deaths had occurred due to the governments badly conceived Pink Batts scheme.

The East Timor processing scheme... fail.
Fuelwatch... fail.
Grocerywatch... fail.
The Malaysia people swap deal... fail.
The MRRT... fail.
The added cost due to changes to power pricing due to ALP/Green policies.

All fails when it comes to implementation and the need for the government to change policy direction when it became necessary.

Weren’t most of those lies blocked by Mr Abbott in parliament?

No karnal and I am addressing your ignorant point.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #26 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 10:10pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

I'm still waiting... I can wait till tomorrow.. or later.

Is that all you've got? Nothing...

Roll Eyes

Let's make sure we are all on the same page.

Mr Grendel it is true that you said that Rudd told 61 lies in his speech to the Press Club in Canberra today. *tick*

It is true that you have been asked to list those 61 lies. *tick*

Would you mind getting on with listing those aforesaid 61 lies?

I'll list em all in my own good time.
So far you lot have failed to rebut and failed to concede.
So we haven't passed go yet, to get onto number 2.

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal Reply #27 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 10:11pm What do you mean no text? I attachd it, and waiting for you to highlight 61 lies. I'll be satisfied by 40 . Or even just 10. Come on grendel, you don't say someone lies but then not back it up.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #28 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 10:11pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

I'm gonna do you all slowly...

1 lie at a time.

I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile.

So far me 1... backed up by the F A C T S. Wink

You haven't given any facts, only opinions .... you seem to struggle with understanding the difference between the two.

No John you are ignoring the facts or refusing to recognise them.
Either way not a good look or very constructive.
Don't waste my time with having to refute and correct all of your opinions individually or we'll be here forever.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96815	Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal Reply #29 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 10:12pm Thanks, Grendel. If you could address the 60 1/2 other lies as well it would be great.
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