sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:


I have much patience, Alevine. Grendel didn’t agree with my rebuttal of lie 3, so I’ll rebut it again. The case: Mr Slipper.

Mr Slipper was one of Mr Abbott’s old Liberal Party friends. Mr Abbott even went to his wedding. Somewhere along the line, as some friends do, they had a falling out, and Mr Slipper left the Libs, setting up shop for himself.

JuLiar, feeling sorry for Mr Slipper and looking for an extra vote in the parliament, made him the Speaker. Mr Abbott was angry about this, and vowed to get his revenge. By making Mr Slipper speaker, Mr Abbott’s plans to destroy JuLiar’s minority government and become PM before the term was out had to be put on hold.

Mr Abbott did not need to wait long for his revenge. An ex-staffer went to the Libs with shocking information: Mr Slipper was a powder puff! This was no news to Chris Pyne, Mr Abbott’s chief whip, but Chris Pyne wanted more - could they meet?

The staffer had more - photocopies of Mr Slipper’s diary and expenses! There must be something there. After all, no one is innocent. Mr Abbott, who had once hunted down another politician and had her thrown in jail, Pauline Hanson, knew this all too well.

To cut a long story short, it was decided to finger Mr Slipper for sexual harassment. All the staffer would have to do is sigh and say how dirty he felt. The Libs would take it from there. Before long, all the senior Libs were doing doorstop interviews and saying what a horrible crime sexual harassment was. How could the Labor Party, the champion of the underdog, condone such a terrible crime and continue to have Mr Slipper as speaker?

It all came down to a private text message Mr Slipper sent his staffer. Mr Slipper made a joke about mussels and ladies’, well, unmentionables. That was enough. Mr Slipper had to go.

Mr Abbott decided to propose a no confidence motion against Mr Slipper for being a sexist, a crook, and all-round cad. JuLiar said he needed proof - the matter was in court (the ex-staffer’s legal costs waived by a well-connected legal firm).

JuLiar challenged Mr Abbott’s hypocrisy in a speech that went viral. It was, perhaps, her finest moment. But it was to no avail. Mr Slipper was forced to stand down, his reputation in ruins. The magistrate threw the case out of court, but it was too late. Mr Slipper was destroyed by his old friend Mr Abbott for his description of ladies, er, private parts.

Oh, and his rampant hommersexuality.

Mr Abbott got another political scalp. JuLiar lost her speaker. The staffer got a holiday in a sunny country.

Rather than spend his time in opposition focusing on policies for the good of the country, Mr Abbott sought to bring the government down by any means necessary.

And he did. Before long, JuLiar was taken down too, her head lopped off by her own friends and allies.

Mr Abbott will be our next PM, but it will be a phyrric victory. When he gets to the top of the greasy pole, Mr Abbott will have nothing to do. Having spent all his time destroying things - policies, friendships, political careers, Mr Abbott will be a spent force.

As Lady Macbeth says at the news of her husband’s death; "tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow..."

"Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

And herein I rebut lie 3. Again.

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 9:25pm:


We are up to 8 karnal...  I'm not wasting time going back to 3 just because you can't admit you are wrong.

Sorry but the boat has left the dock.

I'm not going to waste my time telling you each sentence you post is your opinion based on your political bias and unproven Labor rumour mongering and propaganda.

BTW Abbott stayed out of the Slipper mess for a very long time and you are factually wrong about a great deal.  Start another topic and I'll be glad to correct you.

Rudd lied nothing you posted changes that.

once again...

Lie 3
(lie  by inference)

For these reasons, it is just plain wrong for anybody in our national political debate to be talking Australia down.

Having already shown our defence is not so robust as he claimed Rudd is already off to a bad start.  He is saying here that any criticism of the government, or its policies, or the economy… is talking Australia down.  He is inferring (as ever) that Abbott and the Opposition are doing just that.  They are not.  When in Opposition, he did the exact same things the Opposition have been doing.  Then, he called it messing with Howard’s mind.  Criticism, dissent and indeed policy amendment, are things done by all parties and even some independents, it is not talking Australia down.

His inference is that Abbott and the Coalition are talking Australia down, and so are not doing their job.  They are the Opposition, and as such they are the major voice Australians have to disagree with the government.  To hold them to account.  It is not wrong for them to do so.  It is not “plain wrong” at all. It is expected and necessary that in our national political debate there are voices of dissent.

Hence Rudd has lied yet again, and proved himself disingenuous and hypocritical at the same time.

It is important that anyone in politics should be an honest broker and provide the population with correct information at all times. Pity that during elections the truth is often hard to discern especially when the rusted-on fail to address reality whilst barracking for their  “team”.  (Now that last para is indeed my opinion.)

You can lump in Lie 4...  with that as well.

But that is different to a daily diatribe of negative politics whose single objective is to cause the Australian people to feel that our national economy and our national security is on the verge of falling apart – if not now, then certainly by next Thursday afternoon.

It ain't daily, not necessarily negative and certainly does not have the single objective he mentions.

Like I said karnal Your Slipper argument doesn't hold water.  happy to hear how Slipper is talking australia down though anytime you care to put it as such.

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:


Ah winning by declaration and put down eh John.
Sorry buddy it doesn't work like that.
Put up or shut up, feel free to refute anything you can.

Come on Skip try your luck you'd have to do bett
er than the name callers and time wasters are doing.

oh and Skippy you can stop lying to yourself about me.
it's getting sad and pathetic. 

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:


no karnal you don't get away with crap like that.

Go and read what I said one more time then show how lie 3 and Slipper have anything to do with each other.

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:


I do and I have. Would you like another example of Mr Abbott playing Dr No to the detriment of our fine tradition of parliamentary demokracy?