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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #180 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 5:55am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 12:58pm:
Spotty you accused me of ignoring stuff I had not at that point seen.
You need to have some patience Spotty and not accuse people falsley

Unfortunately I' don't sit here 24 hrs a day and unfortunately this site is not functioning at 100%. ignoring


That is BS grendel. In other words you are lying. You replied to messages AFTER that. Not only that but you are STILL not answering the question - instead you are trying to distract to your excuse for not replying before!

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #181 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 5:59am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 2:52pm:
let's tie lie 6 and lie 7 together then eh.

Lie 7.

But a 100 per cent diet of negative politics is bad for our nation.

For starters neither Abbott nor the Coalition have been 100% negative towards labor or politics in general.  That is clearly an untruth. Ok who here is going to honestly try and deny it?

Bipartisanship most recently on the NDIS, under Nelson on The Sorry and apparently 86% of legislation in the last Parliament.

Libs and Greens have joined to amend or stop Labor policy.
Libs and Labor have joined to see legislation passed.

Yet Kevin says there has been "a 100 per cent diet of negative politics", tsk, tsk, tsk, kevin... telling porkies again.

Is negative politics bad for a nation?  yes...  but to infer that is due to only one side or one person is a lie.

In the context of Rudd's speech the lies keep on coming.  As for negative politics I have already stated what I consider them to be.  So far no refutation.


So a 100% diet of negative politics is good for our nation? For that to be a lie it would have to be. In what you highlighted he didnt infer anything. Of course we all know what hes talking about but you made the inference yourself.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #182 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:01am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 3:18pm:
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I have made my point.....The fact you fail to see Abbott has been negative is astounding really!!!

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What point did you make Phil...  ?

I have seen Abbott be negative and the Libs mindlessly so.  But nowhere near as much or as badly as the ALP.

But what Rudd is inferring and saying is a lie.  That is the topic here.

Labor even eat their own Phil.
have a nice day  Grin

ps. phil what you fail to acknowledge is that constructive criticism has led to labor having to address policy and implementation failures.  that is a positive, not a negative.
Hmmm  i'm sure I said that before Phil.  Roll Eyes


Nope.

But a 100 per cent diet of negative politics is bad for our nation.

Thats what you quoted as a lie. That statement is true - not a lie. 100% negativity is bad not good.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #183 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:03am
 
Lobo wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 12:22pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:38am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:10am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:01am:
Lie 5

He is the most conservative politician to become leader of the Liberal Party in its history.

really?
And how would Kevin the great measure this conservativeness...?
who has he measured it against?

this is just Labor propaganda
it infers that being a conservative is a bad thing.  However crazy Kevin has forgotten that he once sold himself to the public as being a big conservative himself.  Grin Grin Grin


Well I dont see where you have proven its a lie. Of course rudd is a conservative but abbott is way more conservative. Who do you think was a more conservative leader of the libs?

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Pity we are up to 6 now Spotty...
So how do you measure conservatism?
Rudd runs the parliament church group...  not Abbott, does that make him more conservative?
Menzies was a traditionalist and a monarchist in a fashion I think Abbott does not come close to.
Personally I think Crazy Kev is just a liar.  Something no one here has been able to disprove so far.

BTW Spotty this site has a glitch that stops posts from coming up and being seen.
I suggest you relax and stop making false accusations.


First thing I have agreed with, so far.

Hoping this post will get me past P10.

Cheesy


Wow. Thats pretty rediculous you know.

The "glitch" makes the last few posts disappear when the page turns over. It does NOT make posts disappear in the middle of the page. He replied to 2 posts AFTER mine then said mine didnt come up. Outright lie.

Oh and he still hasnt answered the question either: Who was more conservative than abbott?

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #184 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:51am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
If I was you Gretel, I'd ignore this thread from now on ... each one of your 'lies' gets more and more desperate .. you are only making yourself worse.


Ah winning by declaration and put down eh John.
Sorry buddy it doesn't work like that.
Put up or shut up, feel free to refute anything you can.


I haven't read all your so called 'lies' but off the ones I've seen, they have already been well and truly refuted . The fact that you pretend not to see the answers is not my problem.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #185 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:45am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 5:59am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 2:52pm:
let's tie lie 6 and lie 7 together then eh.

Lie 7.

But a 100 per cent diet of negative politics is bad for our nation.

For starters neither Abbott nor the Coalition have been 100% negative towards labor or politics in general.  That is clearly an untruth. Ok who here is going to honestly try and deny it?

Bipartisanship most recently on the NDIS, under Nelson on The Sorry and apparently 86% of legislation in the last Parliament.

Libs and Greens have joined to amend or stop Labor policy.
Libs and Labor have joined to see legislation passed.

Yet Kevin says there has been "a 100 per cent diet of negative politics", tsk, tsk, tsk, kevin... telling porkies again.

Is negative politics bad for a nation?  yes...  but to infer that is due to only one side or one person is a lie.

In the context of Rudd's speech the lies keep on coming.  As for negative politics I have already stated what I consider them to be.  So far no refutation.


So a 100% diet of negative politics is good for our nation? For that to be a lie it would have to be. In what you highlighted he didnt infer anything. Of course we all know what hes talking about but you made the inference yourself.

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you goose...  the lie is saying it was 100%  Roll Eyes

I hope you get it now Spotty...  I have grave doubts though  Roll Eyes

As for your other crap...  you are wrong about that too. get an adult to explain it to you.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #186 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47am
 
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Oh and he still hasnt answered the question either: Who was more conservative than abbott?


Ah yes i have and YOU haven't told me how to measure conservatism yet Spotty.

Now please go away and stop wasting my time.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #187 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:48am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:51am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
If I was you Gretel, I'd ignore this thread from now on ... each one of your 'lies' gets more and more desperate .. you are only making yourself worse.


Ah winning by declaration and put down eh John.
Sorry buddy it doesn't work like that.
Put up or shut up, feel free to refute anything you can.


I haven't read all your so called 'lies' but off the ones I've seen, they have already been well and truly refuted . The fact that you pretend not to see the answers is not my problem.


Your biased opinion only John I not YOU have failed to try and refute anything.

Since I'm not biased like you I suggest my opinion is way more relevant.  Grin
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #188 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:48am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47am:
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Oh and he still hasnt answered the question either: Who was more conservative than abbott?


Ah yes i have and YOU haven't told me how to measure conservatism yet Spotty.

Now please go away and stop wasting my time.


you can't, it becomes a matter of opinion ... therefore you cannot say Rudd lied about it.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #189 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:48am:
Since I'm not biased like you



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Grin Grin Grin

Do you actually think anyone will believe that?

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #190 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:52am
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 6:01pm:
So where were we oh yeah 7...  no refutation.

Lie 8

And the truth is that it is a lazy substitute for the hard work that is needed to develop, argue and implement real policies that will change Australia for the better.
That is why Mr Abbott has so far publicly stated that he does not want to face the public scrutiny of an economic policy debate here at the National Press Club of Australia. 

Right Kevvy back on the propaganda trail lying about the Coalitions lack of policy and labelling it lazy.  calling Abbott a coward and turning it around to him not wanting to face the people.

No one out Machievellis, Crazy Kev.

Abbott has called for an election how is that avoiding the public? 


Rudd said, and I quote, "Mr Abbott has publicly stated that he does not want to face the.public scrutiny of an economic.policy debate here at the National Press Club of Australia".

Mr Abbott refused to debate Rudd on economic policy at the National Press Club in Canberra.

No election, no secret rules, no obscure precedents - Mr Abbott refused the debate. You can’t call this a lie, so it can’t even be rebutted.

This lie doesn’t stand in the first place.

Now back to lie 3 thanks, Grendel.


So come on karnal post Abbott's quote.
I'm not interested in Rudd's misinterpretations or lies.
Where is the quote stating what Rudd said was true.

It wasn't.
No used getting frustrated an annoyed with me telling the truth Rudd lied...  Rudd lies...  that is his forte.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #191 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:54am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:45am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 5:59am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 2:52pm:
let's tie lie 6 and lie 7 together then eh.

Lie 7.

But a 100 per cent diet of negative politics is bad for our nation.

For starters neither Abbott nor the Coalition have been 100% negative towards labor or politics in general.  That is clearly an untruth. Ok who here is going to honestly try and deny it?

Bipartisanship most recently on the NDIS, under Nelson on The Sorry and apparently 86% of legislation in the last Parliament.

Libs and Greens have joined to amend or stop Labor policy.
Libs and Labor have joined to see legislation passed.

Yet Kevin says there has been "a 100 per cent diet of negative politics", tsk, tsk, tsk, kevin... telling porkies again.

Is negative politics bad for a nation?  yes...  but to infer that is due to only one side or one person is a lie.

In the context of Rudd's speech the lies keep on coming.  As for negative politics I have already stated what I consider them to be.  So far no refutation.


So a 100% diet of negative politics is good for our nation? For that to be a lie it would have to be. In what you highlighted he didnt infer anything. Of course we all know what hes talking about but you made the inference yourself.

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you goose...  the lie is saying it was 100%  Roll Eyes

I hope you get it now Spotty...  I have grave doubts though  Roll Eyes

As for your other crap...  you are wrong about that too. get an adult to explain it to you.


Oh so you reckon its not 100%? What exactly has abbott put forward that isnt negative then?

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #192 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:55am
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:01pm:
Let’s look at Craig Thomson, shall we? This instance was ruled on by the parliamentary Speaker, so we know it’s legit. It’s there in the Hansard.

Craig Thomson stood down from the Labor Party in disgrace and became an independant (like Mr Slipper). Mr Abbott made it clear that he would not be accepting Craig Thomson’s vote in his usual opposition of the government’s bills. Mr Abbott was unequivocal. Craig Thomson was not welcome in the Libs! Opposing the government was Mr Abbott’s job alone.

So the Labor Party had a little joke. They had a word in Craig Thomson’s ear and asked him to vote against something irrelevant - some motion or other. Whatever it was, no one remembers.

So the votes were counted, and there were the Libs, one by one, all opposing as usual. They finally got to Craig Thomson. He held the moment, looked at his feet, cleared his throat, and finally came out with his vote - nay!

The Libs all looked at each other.. Nay? But that was their job - they’d voted nay. That meant...

Yes, that meant they’d be voting with the disgraced Craig Thomson, a man who Mr Abbott said would poison the parliament with his vote. If they stayed and voted with this man, all hell would break loose. Realizing the seriousness of the problem, Mr Abbott looked up at his chief whip, Chris Pyne, and they both made a break for the doors of the parliament.

Chris Pyne, a somewhat slippery, but powdery, character, made it through the doors just in time. Seeing Mr Abbott on the run, however, the speaker ordered the doors to be closed. Mr Abbott made it to the doors just as they closed in his face. Mr Abbott was locked in.

Mr Abbott wasn’t happy. He wanted his opposition to the government to be pure - it didn’t really matter what he was opposing, but he wanted his opposition on his terms, and he wanted it to be seen that way.

But the Speaker ruled: an MP gives his vote to the Speaker, not a political party. In his years spent opposing things in parliament, Mr Abbott had forgotten the whole point of it all: MPs vote on policies in the interest of the citizens they represent, not solely along tribal party lines for tactical political reasons, not with or against a government so as to support or oppose it.

This incident, backed by the argument of the Speaker, offers us great insight into Mr Abbott’s character as Dr No. It shows the party political nature of Mr Abbott, a man for whom politics is a team sport bound by rules, tactics, point-scoring, and yes, physical agility.

Thus, I rebut lie 3 (again). Mr Abbott was caught red-handed playing Dr No, and your alleged Rudd lie is proven false.


I never expected you to be a dope.
Lie 3 is about talking Australia down.
Rudd's context is the economy.
Remember this debate is about the economy debt and deficit.  Rudd's words not mine.
Now you have mentioned boat, slipper and now thomson...  none of which have anything to do with LIE 3...  do wake up to yourself.
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Reply #193 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:56am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47am:
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Oh and he still hasnt answered the question either: Who was more conservative than abbott?


Ah yes i have and YOU haven't told me how to measure conservatism yet Spotty.

Now please go away and stop wasting my time.


No you haven't. What was your answer?

BTW i dont have to measure conservatism - you do - you are the one that reckons abbott isnt the most conservative leader of the libs and you reckon it was a lie thathe is so YOU have to define it.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #194 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:56am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:49am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:48am:
Since I'm not biased like you


Do you actually think anyone will believe that?

Grin Grin Grin


Well it is true.
I am a swinging voter
I am LW and conservative.
How many different parties have you ever voted for? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Are you through with the ad hom.
care to debate the topic for a change?
You know participate in the actual topic.  Grin
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