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Reply #225 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm
 
Spotty...  go away you stupid troll...  I already answered your questions you dope.

You however have not answered mine.  Grin

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Please post your difinition of a liar & then back it with an example of an Australian politican that doesn't.


moi "difinition" eh smiffy...

Someone who intentionally tells untruths.

Would you like a dictionary definition?

liar  (ˈlaɪə)

— n
     a person who has lied or lies repeatedly


Want a "difinition" of lie now?

Ok just for you then smiffy...

lie
1 /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. Synonyms: prevaricate, fib.
6.
to express what is false; convey a false impression.


hope that helps...  should I wait till you get back to me...  again?

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The biggest lie I know of currently is Tony's bullsh!t of turning boats back(never happen because it will never "Be safe to do so") and follow that with his "Axe the Tax"


I'm pretty sure "Axe the Tax" was not a Liberal policy slogan.  In fact I first saw it at the protest in Canberra where Albanese called hundreds of concerned Australians the
Convoy of Incontinence.

Albo he's always been a class act.  Cheesy

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He may well axe the price on carbon for business but then funds to the exact same target soley with TAXPAYER $$$$.


He may well  repeal the tax and in doing so cut my power bills and if we are lucky the domino effect will see decreases in other cost of living expenses Kevin has finally admitted were impacted by the Carbon Tax.
He may well fund Direct Action out of an already present tax pool.  better that than an additional one...  right?

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How is collecting taxation revenue and then spending it not a tax?


How is it you do not recognise that the Carbon tax was an additional tax. 
How was it you were fooled into believing that it would only effect the big polluters? 
How was it you failed even after they added compensation that it was effecting Australians cost of living expenses?

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Tell me how the aboves are not untrue statements


I think I've well and truly shot your "aboves" out of the water smiffy.  Does your political bias now prevent you from acknowledging that?

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #226 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:17pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:32am:
But the lie first, thanks, Grendel. We must have an orderly process here.

I don’t make the rules, you know.


Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Another time waster eh karnal...  Roll Eyes
try writing something truthful for a change.
I might respond.  Wink
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #227 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:28pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
Spotty...  go away you stupid troll...  I already answered your questions you dope.

You however have not answered mine.  Grin

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Please post your difinition of a liar & then back it with an example of an Australian politican that doesn't.


moi "difinition" eh smiffy...

Someone who intentionally tells untruths.

Would you like a dictionary definition?

liar  (ˈlaɪə)

— n
     a person who has lied or lies repeatedly


Want a "difinition" of lie now?

Ok just for you then smiffy...

lie
1 /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. Synonyms: prevaricate, fib.
6.
to express what is false; convey a false impression.


hope that helps...  should I wait till you get back to me...  again?

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The biggest lie I know of currently is Tony's bullsh!t of turning boats back(never happen because it will never "Be safe to do so") and follow that with his "Axe the Tax"


I'm pretty sure "Axe the Tax" was not a Liberal policy slogan.  In fact I first saw it at the protest in Canberra where Albanese called hundreds of concerned Australians the
Convoy of Incontinence.

Albo he's always been a class act.  Cheesy

Quote:
He may well axe the price on carbon for business but then funds to the exact same target soley with TAXPAYER $$$$.


He may well  repeal the tax and in doing so cut my power bills and if we are lucky the domino effect will see decreases in other cost of living expenses Kevin has finally admitted were impacted by the Carbon Tax.
He may well fund Direct Action out of an already present tax pool.  better that than an additional one...  right?

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How is collecting taxation revenue and then spending it not a tax?


How is it you do not recognise that the Carbon tax was an additional tax. 
How was it you were fooled into believing that it would only effect the big polluters? 
How was it you failed even after they added compensation that it was effecting Australians cost of living expenses?

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Tell me how the aboves are not untrue statements


I think I've well and truly shot your "aboves" out of the water smiffy.  Does your political bias now prevent you from acknowledging that?



Nope. You havent. If you have then quote and link to it please.

You did NOT ask me about the definition of "liar" and you are the one thats making the claims so you define it.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #228 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:39pm
 
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #229 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
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Nope. You havent. If you have then quote and link to it please. 
yes I have go back and look for yourself.


You did NOT ask me about the definition of "liar" and you are the one thats making the claims so you define it.

Ah spotty...  was that a quote from you I was replying to?

please go away.
I asked you how do you measure conservatism   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #230 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:52pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Did it ever cross your mind I'm sticking to the topic john?  no?  how unusual.
not even once ... you were the one that tried to change the topic .. I merely responded to your comment



I have known of kevin since his Goss days.  what do you know about Dr Death john? 
yep, that sounds like a swinging voter to me.


I don't particularly like Rudd as a person from what I actually know of him.  But if Labor came up with a range of policies I really liked and they could convince me they will implement them and do a good job of it I might just vote for them again.  Oh yes again Johnboy.

I don't believe you would regardless of what labor did


If the Coalition come up with some howlers or even one really big howler I might not vote for them again...  oh yes I have voted for other parties too.

yet you've never once criticised them ... again, screams swinging voter to me


Now bugger off with your mindless prattle about me of whom you know next to nothing whilst I get on with the painful task of talking to rusted-on biased people who I already know will not concede anything even when they are patently wrong.

I'm waiting to get on with 9... 
you've still to explain 3.


Oh and John...  I didn't start this topic...  it was a challenge set by someone else.

you did start this topic and then when they asked you to explain the 61 lies you told them to start another thread or you wouldn't list them  .... I can see why you would be confused though ...

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #231 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 1:15pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:17pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:32am:
But the lie first, thanks, Grendel. We must have an orderly process here.

I don’t make the rules, you know.


Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Another time waster eh karnal...  Roll Eyes
try writing something truthful for a change.
I might respond.  Wink


I have written something truthful, Grendel. I don't make the rules - you've already laid them out. You tell the lies and answer every serious post.

But there has to be an order - no queue jumpers, thanks. Smithy first, then the lie, then SOB.

You haven't done the 3rd lie yet.

We're waiting, Grendel.
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Reply #232 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
Amazing.  You rusted ons are just being impatient.  Grendel will do you all slowly.  So be patient, leftards.  Grendel is up
To Miranda divines lie #7.  Thanks.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #233 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 1:20pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
I'm pretty sure "Axe the Tax" was not a Liberal policy slogan.  In fact I first saw it at the protest in Canberra where Albanese called hundreds of concerned Australians the Convoy of Incontinence.

Albo he's always been a class act.  Cheesy


Seriously??
Because Tony's used that phrase everyday since.
To deny that shoots what little credibility you have out of the water.

And it was, no one was under 60 Wink

Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
He may well  repeal the tax and in doing so cut my power bills and if we are lucky the domino effect will see decreases in other cost of living expenses Kevin has finally admitted were impacted by the Carbon Tax.
He may well fund Direct Action out of an already present tax pool.  better that than an additional one...  right?


Prices will not fall

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Just minutes into his speech, Abbott seemed to promise lower power and gas prices.

"The carbon tax will go but no-one's personal tax will go up and no-one's fortnightly pension or benefit will go down. So with a change of government your weekly and fortnightly budgets will be under less pressure as electricity prices fall and gas prices fall and the carbon tax no longer cascades through our economy," Abbott said.

The promise was unnecessary. It is loaded with risk.

Retail power prices, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, rose 72 per cent in the five years to June 2012 (before the carbon tax was introduced last July). Retail costs of gas and other household fuels rose by 45 per cent in the same period.

Abbott cannot guarantee a fall in power prices in a carbon tax-free electricity market.

The promise may haunt him from now until the election and, should he win the September election, beyond.
Just two days after his speech it was causing him problems. In Saturday's Herald Sun, power companies Energy Australia, Origin and Australian Power and Gas and the Energy Supply Association of Australia all refused to confirm that Abbott's policy to abolish the tax would lower power prices.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4700796.html


To your 2nd part, the budget is already out of control, according to Tony & you, so what will be cut?
Education?
Heath?
Defense?

Already the populace thanks to Howard expect handouts & leg ups, so with spending more from that limited pool how will we reach surplus, yet another pie in the sky no detail thought bubble?

Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
How is it you do not recognise that the Carbon tax was an additional tax.
How was it you were fooled into believing that it would only effect the big polluters?
How was it you failed even after they added compensation that it was effecting Australians cost of living expenses?



1) Its not, its a cost on business
2) They are the ones that pay, who else does it DIRECTLY effect?
Don't sight cost increases being passed on otherwise we will have to think about PPL, a cost on 5000 Australian businesses not 300.Opps too late
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TONY Abbott's paid parental leave scheme will cost families and small businesses around $1 billion a year in higher interest rates and charges, Treasury analysis shows.

The analysis has shown the cost of a 1.5 per cent company tax hike to pay for the generous scheme would add nearly $4 billion over four years to the bottom line of banks and other mortgage lenders.

The impost would reach $1.1 billion alone in 2016-17.

http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/the-hidden-cost-of-paid-parental-leav...

3) It hasn't, I have not changed a thing & seeing as we are dealing with unsubstantiated anecdotes my experience holds just as much weight as your rhetoric

Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
I think I've well and truly shot your "aboves" out of the water smiffy.  Does your political bias now prevent you from acknowledging that?



I have no bias accept I think Abbott & his goons are bad for my country, its not party based put Turnbull there & I'll vote Liberal, put Hunt there & I'll vote Liberal, put Hockey there & I'll consider it seriously.

You've only shoot yourself in the foot champ, where's number 4 or whatever we are up to?
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #234 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 1:45pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:28pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
Spotty...  go away you stupid troll...  I already answered your questions you dope.

You however have not answered mine.  Grin

Quote:
Please post your difinition of a liar & then back it with an example of an Australian politican that doesn't.


moi "difinition" eh smiffy...

Someone who intentionally tells untruths.

Would you like a dictionary definition?

liar  (ˈlaɪə)

— n
     a person who has lied or lies repeatedly


Want a "difinition" of lie now?

Ok just for you then smiffy...

lie
1 /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. Synonyms: prevaricate, fib.
6.
to express what is false; convey a false impression.


hope that helps...  should I wait till you get back to me...  again?

Quote:
The biggest lie I know of currently is Tony's bullsh!t of turning boats back(never happen because it will never "Be safe to do so") and follow that with his "Axe the Tax"


I'm pretty sure "Axe the Tax" was not a Liberal policy slogan.  In fact I first saw it at the protest in Canberra where Albanese called hundreds of concerned Australians the
Convoy of Incontinence.

Albo he's always been a class act.  Cheesy

Quote:
He may well axe the price on carbon for business but then funds to the exact same target soley with TAXPAYER $$$$.


He may well  repeal the tax and in doing so cut my power bills and if we are lucky the domino effect will see decreases in other cost of living expenses Kevin has finally admitted were impacted by the Carbon Tax.
He may well fund Direct Action out of an already present tax pool.  better that than an additional one...  right?

Quote:
How is collecting taxation revenue and then spending it not a tax?


How is it you do not recognise that the Carbon tax was an additional tax. 
How was it you were fooled into believing that it would only effect the big polluters? 
How was it you failed even after they added compensation that it was effecting Australians cost of living expenses?

Quote:
Tell me how the aboves are not untrue statements


I think I've well and truly shot your "aboves" out of the water smiffy.  Does your political bias now prevent you from acknowledging that?



Nope. You havent. If you have then quote and link to it please.

You did NOT ask me about the definition of "liar" and you are the one thats making the claims so you define it.

SOB

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Nope you have NOT answered my questions and its not up to me to define conservatism since you are the one that was using the word to say that abbott is not the most conservative lib leader. What did you mean it was a lie? Who was more conservative than him? What do you mean by conservative and more to the point what does rudd mean by it?

Theres a second question there too:

1) Who was more conservative than abbott?
2) Name something not negative abbott has said in the press about the government

BTW you addressed the post to me then quoted someone saying the definition of liar. It wasnt me.

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Reply #235 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:16pm
 
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Seriously??
Because Tony's used that phrase everyday since.
To deny that shoots what little credibility you have out of the water.

And it was, no one was under 60 Wink


Ok willing to admit I missed it.
please post examples of Tony saying Axe the tax everyday....
did you kinda admit you were wrong  I noticed the word "since"   

BTW they were not all over 60 and albo and now you apparently are a disgrace.
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Reply #236 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:19pm
 
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Prices will not fall


they definitely won't under labor smiffy...  obviously you don't care.
I'd like to give the more likely team a chance.

You realise that if labor had not chickened out on having the tax recorded on the bill
1/ we'd know how much it increased a bill...  they obviously didn't want us to know.
2/ we'd be able to readily see that it was removed when the tax is repealed.
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Reply #237 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
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To your 2nd part, the budget is already out of control, according to Tony & you, so what will be cut?
Education?
Heath?
Defense?


I don't believe I have even mentioned the budget being out of control.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that labor have already found savings for the ETS...  so what is being cut by them?  Oh right they aren't saying.  Honestly smiffy...  Roll Eyes

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Already the populace thanks to Howard expect handouts & leg ups, so with spending more from that limited pool how will we reach surplus, yet another pie in the sky no detail thought bubble?


Happened long before Howard.  or don't you go back that far?

We were in surplus even when Howard was dealing "hand-outs" remember?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #238 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:26pm
 
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1) Its not, its a cost on business


Well that is just rubbish and a stupid act of denial.

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2) They are the ones that pay, who else does it DIRECTLY effect?


More rubbish and denial...  please smiffy do at least try to address reality.

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Don't sight cost increases being passed on otherwise we will have to think about PPL, a cost on 5000 Australian businesses not 300.Opps too late
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Reply #239 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:32pm
 
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I have no bias accept I think Abbott & his goons are bad for my country, its not party based put Turnbull there & I'll vote Liberal, put Hunt there & I'll vote Liberal, put Hockey there & I'll consider it seriously.


Well if you have to deny facts and lie I find that hard to believe smiffy.

The Wet Turnbull failed as opposition leader that is why labor and greens like him...  he is unacceptable to most conservatives.  he is like Rudd...  he represents himself and his beliefs.

So why do you hate abbott? be nice for one of you guys to actually have a go at addressing that instead of just saying because we do...

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You've only shoot yourself in the foot champ, where's number 4 or whatever we are up to?


We are up to 9... almost  Smiley
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