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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #270 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:35am

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

[quote author=John_Smith link=1373525391/262#262 date=1373893810][quote author=grendel link=1373525391/254#254 date=1373882762]
An annual bill of say $10,000 suddenly becomes $40,000 for a business like a Coles store for instance, that means a manager suddenly puts off a whole load of casual staff previously dependent on their wage.

I've seen it happen Roll Eyes

How could an annual bill rise by 400% when the carbon tax has raised the price of electricity by less than 10%?

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #272 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Why don't I want him to be PM?

Because the Austerity measures he & Hockey advocate have been a TOTAL FAILURE around the rest of the world.
Europe is heading or has achieved a TRIPLE DIP recession.
Do you really think a tightening of spending is a way to encourage business & consumer confidence?

He panders to the LOWEST common denominator, he appeals from the perspective of fear & distrust(like the church), we all know its not about stopping reffos drowning its about stopping Mussies & brown people coming here.

Its not about saving peoples Cost of Living its about saving energy companies money.

He has not once since taking the leadership of the Liberal Party of Australia offered a POSITIVE outlook for our nation.
He has not once offered any DETAIL even in the BROADEST terms on how he will achieve his rhetoric.

He cant string together 2 coherent words when asked an off the cuff question, imagine him trying to talk with Putin,Obama,Brown in fact any world leader.
What if they asked a difficult question.....ahhhhhhh.....ummmmmm......ahhhhhhh.haha.....oh Merkel coming over(not even realising that's her surname)

He is a BULLY, a spoilt bully who resorts to intimidation if he doesn't get his way.

THAT WHY I DO NOT WANT THIS MAN LEADING MY COUNTRY!

Great summary.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #273 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:59am

Ok time to move on I suppose before you all start back slapping again... Roll Eyes

This is the first lie in his speech that I can't back up with factual refutation. because to be able to do so I'd have to run a national poll... mind you Kevin did no such thing so his claims/lies are nothing more than that. Difference being I'm not making the unsubstantiated claims.

Lie 9

My core argument to you today is that given the new economic challenges that Australia is now facing, what the Australian people now want to see is a debate about a clear, positive economic policy direction for their future.

Really? Is that what every Australian wants. Perhaps more hubris is exactly what we don't want. I can't remember an election where the "Australian people" as a whole were all wanting an economic debate. Just more crap from Kevin. I'm calling it a lie.

Just a quick look at any political site and debates on the economy are few and far between. Anecdotally it would seem Australians then are not all that interested in an economic debate.

How many people sit around watching the budget or the budget reply? Hmmmm

What issues take precedence in the media. Not the economy. It is a back issue. Except perhaps at budget time. Where people are largely worried about how much extra they are getting or how much less. Normally though during a term of government it is a back burner issue.

What issues are now at the forefront, now we are about to have an election... NOT the economy.

Lets look at the big news items around Australia today...
BOAT PEOPLE/JAKARTA
BENJI/WEST TIGERS
OUTBACK OIL/SHALE OIL
SHARK ATTACK/TEEN VICTIM
LABOR RULES/KING KEVIN
PAROLE BOARD/FOR THE AXE
RUDD CUTS/CLIMATE TAX
NBN/CUTS ANOTHER CABLE
SEVERE WEATHER/FOR WA
RADWANSKA/DROPPED BY CHURCH
EASTER BUNNY/ATTACKED
800 PUBLIC SERVICE JOBS/CUT
BLAKE FERGUSON/NOT GUILTY PLEA

It would seem people are interested in various thing and it would seem politics in general is not top of their list let alone the economy.

Sorry Kev you got it wrong you lied....

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #274 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

mantra wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Why don't I want him to be PM?

Because the Austerity measures he & Hockey advocate have been a TOTAL FAILURE around the rest of the world.
Europe is heading or has achieved a TRIPLE DIP recession.
Do you really think a tightening of spending is a way to encourage business & consumer confidence?

He panders to the LOWEST common denominator, he appeals from the perspective of fear & distrust(like the church), we all know its not about stopping reffos drowning its about stopping Mussies & brown people coming here.

Its not about saving peoples Cost of Living its about saving energy companies money.

He has not once since taking the leadership of the Liberal Party of Australia offered a POSITIVE outlook for our nation.
He has not once offered any DETAIL even in the BROADEST terms on how he will achieve his rhetoric.

He cant string together 2 coherent words when asked an off the cuff question, imagine him trying to talk with Putin,Obama,Brown in fact any world leader.
What if they asked a difficult question.....ahhhhhhh.....ummmmmm......ahhhhhhh.haha.....oh Merkel coming over(not even realising that's her surname)

He is a BULLY, a spoilt bully who resorts to intimidation if he doesn't get his way.

THAT WHY I DO NOT WANT THIS MAN LEADING MY COUNTRY!

Great summary.

Like you'd know anything...
You're a hater... smiffy said he wasn't ... hmmm I wonder if he lied.
nice of you to admit your bias though mantra... not that people who know you were surprised eh Grin

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #275 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:25pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

mantra wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Why don't I want him to be PM?

Because the Austerity measures he & Hockey advocate have been a TOTAL FAILURE around the rest of the world.
Europe is heading or has achieved a TRIPLE DIP recession.
Do you really think a tightening of spending is a way to encourage business & consumer confidence?

He panders to the LOWEST common denominator, he appeals from the perspective of fear & distrust(like the church), we all know its not about stopping reffos drowning its about stopping Mussies & brown people coming here.

Its not about saving peoples Cost of Living its about saving energy companies money.

He has not once since taking the leadership of the Liberal Party of Australia offered a POSITIVE outlook for our nation.
He has not once offered any DETAIL even in the BROADEST terms on how he will achieve his rhetoric.

He cant string together 2 coherent words when asked an off the cuff question, imagine him trying to talk with Putin,Obama,Brown in fact any world leader.
What if they asked a difficult question.....ahhhhhhh.....ummmmmm......ahhhhhhh.haha.....oh Merkel coming over(not even realising that's her surname)

He is a BULLY, a spoilt bully who resorts to intimidation if he doesn't get his way.

THAT WHY I DO NOT WANT THIS MAN LEADING MY COUNTRY!

Great summary.

Like you'd know anything...
You're a hater... smiffy said he wasn't ... hmmm I wonder if he lied.
nice of you to admit your bias though mantra... not that people who know you were surprised eh Grin

No I didn't.
I have great respect for Abbott the volunteer whether life saver or firer fighter & I genuinely believe he wants to make a difference in aboriginal communities.

I just don't want him as my PM for reasons outlined above.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #276 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Like you'd know anything...
You're a hater... smiffy said he wasn't ... hmmm I wonder if he lied.
nice of you to admit your bias though mantra... not that people who know you were surprised eh

I think these days I would probably know a little more than you Grendel. You've lost the plot lately as evidenced by this thread. You might get the support of a couple of dysfunctional RW's on another board, but your true obfuscation and bulldust is blatantly obvious. Only you can't see it.

As far as Rudd referring to the Australian people as a whole - what is wrong with that? Most thinking Australians do want to see a clear economic policy direction from a leader. We've heard nothing from Abbott. What does he stand for? About as much as you by the looks of it.

In regard to hating - where you're concerned anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hater - so I consider it a compliment. God forbid if more than a handful of people agreed with your rhetoric and I was one of them. Too low to fall.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #277 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:37pm

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I have great respect for Abbott the volunteer whether life saver or firer fighter & I genuinely believe he wants to make a difference in aboriginal communities.

As I have no respect for him at all for those things I concede I'm starting from a low base, but whatever respect I have would get better if he did it all in the total absence of a camera or other media exposure.

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #278 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:42pm

mantra wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Like you'd know anything...
You're a hater... smiffy said he wasn't ... hmmm I wonder if he lied.
nice of you to admit your bias though mantra... not that people who know you were surprised eh

I think these days I would probably know a little more than you Grendel. You've lost the plot lately as evidenced by this thread. You might get the support of a couple of dysfunctional RW's on another board, but your true obfuscation and bulldust is blatantly obvious. Only you can't see it.

As far as Rudd referring to the Australian people as a whole - what is wrong with that? Most thinking Australians do want to see a clear economic policy direction from a leader. We've heard nothing from Abbott. What does he stand for? About as much as you by the looks of it.

In regard to hating - where you're concerned anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hater - so I consider it a compliment. God forbid if more than a handful of people agreed with your rhetoric and I was one of them. Too low to fall.

You are so deluded... Roll Eyes

Excuse me if I ignore your crap...

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #280 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:44pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

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I have great respect for Abbott the volunteer whether life saver or firer fighter & I genuinely believe he wants to make a difference in aboriginal communities.

As I have no respect for him at all for those things I concede I'm starting from a low base, but whatever respect I have would get better if he did it all in the total absence of a camera or other media exposure.

Well you are in mantra's hater club, Jase after all... Roll Eyes

the club for mindless progs Shocked

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #282 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:47pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Ok time to move on I suppose before you all start back slapping again... Roll Eyes

This is the first lie in his speech that I can't back up with factual refutation. because to be able to do so I'd have to run a national poll... mind you Kevin did no such thing so his claims/lies are nothing more than that. Difference being I'm not making the unsubstantiated claims.

Lie 9

My core argument to you today is that given the new economic challenges that Australia is now facing, what the Australian people now want to see is a debate about a clear, positive economic policy direction for their future.

Really? Is that what every Australian wants. Perhaps more hubris is exactly what we don't want. I can't remember an election where the "Australian people" as a whole were all wanting an economic debate. Just more crap from Kevin. I'm calling it a lie.

Just a quick look at any political site and debates on the economy are few and far between. Anecdotally it would seem Australians then are not all that interested in an economic debate.

How many people sit around watching the budget or the budget reply? Hmmmm

What issues take precedence in the media. Not the economy. It is a back issue. Except perhaps at budget time. Where people are largely worried about how much extra they are getting or how much less. Normally though during a term of government it is a back burner issue.

What issues are now at the forefront, now we are about to have an election... NOT the economy.

Lets look at the big news items around Australia today...
BOAT PEOPLE/JAKARTA
BENJI/WEST TIGERS
OUTBACK OIL/SHALE OIL
SHARK ATTACK/TEEN VICTIM
LABOR RULES/KING KEVIN
PAROLE BOARD/FOR THE AXE
RUDD CUTS/CLIMATE TAX
NBN/CUTS ANOTHER CABLE
SEVERE WEATHER/FOR WA
RADWANSKA/DROPPED BY CHURCH
EASTER BUNNY/ATTACKED
800 PUBLIC SERVICE JOBS/CUT
BLAKE FERGUSON/NOT GUILTY PLEA

It would seem people are interested in various thing and it would seem politics in general is not top of their list let alone the economy.

Sorry Kev you got it wrong you lied....

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Talk about scraping the very bottom Of the barrel. And we aren't even at 10 yet.

Ok Grendel. That was an outrageous lie. You are correct. Please move on to lie #10

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #284 - Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:48pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

mantra wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Like you'd know anything...
You're a hater... smiffy said he wasn't ... hmmm I wonder if he lied.
nice of you to admit your bias though mantra... not that people who know you were surprised eh

I think these days I would probably know a little more than you Grendel. You've lost the plot lately as evidenced by this thread. You might get the support of a couple of dysfunctional RW's on another board, but your true obfuscation and bulldust is blatantly obvious. Only you can't see it.

As far as Rudd referring to the Australian people as a whole - what is wrong with that? Most thinking Australians do want to see a clear economic policy direction from a leader. We've heard nothing from Abbott. What does he stand for? About as much as you by the looks of it.

In regard to hating - where you're concerned anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hater - so I consider it a compliment. God forbid if more than a handful of people agreed with your rhetoric and I was one of them. Too low to fall.

You are so deluded... Roll Eyes

Excuse me if I ignore your crap...

That's right. Mantra, Grendel is a LW conservative. He isn't RW.

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