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Reply #375 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:36am
 
Lies damned lies and the ALP...


One thing that Gillard and Rudd have excelled at as PMs and that is telling lies. The current 3 ig ones doing the rounds are: 1/ the missing $70 billion from Coalition accounting, 2/ the reality behind the latest interest rate cut, and 3/ Abbott's alleged plans to increase the GST. Lie, lie, lie...

1/ The origin of Labor's crap about austerity and the charge that Abbott is planning ''cuts to the bone'' to cover his $70 billion black hole was of course Joe Hockey. It was a figure Hockey verbally confided to a colleague in 2011, remember that? labor made a big deal of it then, but never told the truth about it. It was a figure created to unearth a leaker. Different figures were told to different people and once it surfaced. the leaker was found. Hockey however was given a difficult time by the LW media of course not helped by the continuous lies of the ALP. A good idea, but one that partially back-fired.

Rudd and co are now touting that figure again. Funny that. Rudd of course always the consummate liar has embellished it even further, calling it an open Coalition commitment to an austerity program the likes Australia has never seen before. Food for the rusted-on mindless masses.

    ''We are investing in Australian families and what they need, as opposed to Mr Abbott, who has said he will be in the business of ripping $70 billion out, which means cuts to jobs, education and education services, as well as cuts to health,'' he said.

    Reporter: On the question of accuracy, you have said here today that Tony Abbott is planning $70 billion worth of cuts. I wonder if you can point to where he's said that?

    Rudd: Mr Hockey announced that number a long time ago. They have never walked away from it.



Even the ever so biased political fact-checking service PolitiFact has tested the assertion and found it to be false because it is based on dodgy assumptions, exaggerations and simple guesses. Penny Wong has admitted it is based on guesses.

2/ The interest rate cut. Borrowers, of course, welcome any relief, which is why Rudd was crowing on Tuesday. But Labor's claim that Hockey was arguing against the cut was nonsense. just another lie. Swan used to do the same thing as Rudd claim low interest rates were a Labor blessing bestowed upon the public yet failed to mention that RBA reductions were made to stir a stagnant economy. The Reserve Bank has been ordering cuts to stimulate a slowing economy for years. Considering te ALP's dishonesty with just about everything, the wisdom of Hockey to get into an argument about rates, is debatable. But his point about the lowest cash rate since the 1950s, a soft economy and a worrying outlook, is completely correct.

3/ Finally, there's the faux debate over the GST. Faux Aussie... get it? Labor says Abbott and Hockey are planning to increase it. This is a scare campaign, pure and simple. That the Coalition has said for quite a while now that it will include the GST within the scope of a planned tax review sometime during it's first term is true and to its credit. That Labor did not do so with its Henry review was pathetic. Anyone with a brain, should know, that Abbott has said... there are no plans to touch the GST and has further promised that should the review recommend any changes, he would take those plans to a subsequent election. One more time for the ALP dummies... If any changes are made it must include the cooperation of all the states and that the Coalition will seek a mandate to implement those changes at the next election and not before.

When it comes to lying What evs kev just can't help himself...
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Reply #376 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:38am
 
They just keep rolling off his tongue...

Talk about a desperate Kevin, today he was lying about the cost of vegemite. :roll:
Not only has he said the Coalition will change the GST to cover food, he has them putting it up an extra 2% The sooner this lying poo gets put down the better...

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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #378 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:58am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Lies damned lies and the ALP...


One thing that Gillard and Rudd have excelled at as PMs and that is telling lies. The current 3 ig ones doing the rounds are: 1/ the missing $70 billion from Coalition accounting, 2/ the reality behind the latest interest rate cut, and 3/ Abbott's alleged plans to increase the GST. Lie, lie, lie...

1/ The origin of Labor's crap about austerity and the charge that Abbott is planning ''cuts to the bone'' to cover his $70 billion black hole was of course Joe Hockey. It was a figure Hockey verbally confided to a colleague in 2011, remember that? labor made a big deal of it then, but never told the truth about it. It was a figure created to unearth a leaker. Different figures were told to different people and once it surfaced. the leaker was found. Hockey however was given a difficult time by the LW media of course not helped by the continuous lies of the ALP. A good idea, but one that partially back-fired.

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JOE Hockey says he regrets saying the Coalition needed to find up to $70 billion to fund its election promises, despite denying he ever put a figure on the opposition's budget savings target. 
 
As Tony Abbott today refused to commit the Coalition to a return-to-surplus timetable, his treasury spokesman said he wished he hadn't mentioned the figure.

The figure, described by the government as a budget “black hole”, was offered by Mr Hockey in an interview with Seven's Sunrise program in August last year.

He said when the government was spending more than $1.5 trillion over four years “finding 50, 60 or $70 billion is about identifying waste and identifying areas where you do not need to proceed with programs”.

On the ABC's Q&A program this week, Mr Hockey said the savings figure wasn't his.

“They're not our figures,” he said, during an exchange with Finance Minister Penny Wong.

But today, on ABC radio, Mr Hockey admitted ownership of the figure.

“OK, I shouldn't have said any (figure) because it was part of a debate and now it's been taken as a statement of fact,” Mr Hockey said.




http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/joe-hockey-regrets-70bn-savings...

Yep Rudd Lied because the Libs have re written the facts. Hockey freely admits to saying it and the rubbish posted trying to show some sort of Rudd Lie is in itself a lie.

Fact is that the Liberals announced spending has to be paid for somehow by someone, it is money they don't have and a shite load of it. History clearly shows what they are most likely to do. Rudd is correct.
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Reply #379 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:12am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Lies damned lies and the ALP...



2/ The interest rate cut. Borrowers, of course, welcome any relief, which is why Rudd was crowing on Tuesday. But Labor's claim that Hockey was arguing against the cut was nonsense. just another lie. Swan used to do the same thing as Rudd claim low interest rates were a Labor blessing bestowed upon the public yet failed to mention that RBA reductions were made to stir a stagnant economy. The Reserve Bank has been ordering cuts to stimulate a slowing economy for years. Considering te ALP's dishonesty with just about everything, the wisdom of Hockey to get into an argument about rates, is debatable. But his point about the lowest cash rate since the 1950s, a soft economy and a worrying outlook, is completely correct.

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Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey says the Reserve Bank's decision to cut the interest rate shows the economy is struggling and has been mismanaged by the Government.


Of course you guys are now saying that John Howard telling us for years that  low interest rates were a good thing and a sign of their great economic management was a lie????

The question is why is it now that Hockey has chosen to call Howard a liar ???

"Interest rates will always be lower under a coalition government" John Howard - and a line worshipped by ever conservative supporter.

You got the title wrong - it does not say Howards 61 Lies.
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Reply #380 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:49am
 
Don't you love when people who think they are bright get sucked in...

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Yep Rudd Lied


Yep he did and does with phenomenal regularity DNA.
Instead of trying to find excuses for this maggot just admit it... so much simpler and so much more honest.

Oh and please...  do try to quote things in context if you want to try and defend the indefensible.  Howard and Hockey even explained that the other day  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  it doesn't take a mental giant to understand the reality of the situation unless you are a rusted-on ALP supporter it seems.
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Reply #381 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 3:15pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Don't you love when people who think they are bright get sucked in...

Quote:
Yep Rudd Lied


Yep he did and does with phenomenal regularity DNA.
Instead of trying to find excuses for this maggot just admit it... so much simpler and so much more honest.

Oh and please...  do try to quote things in context if you want to try and defend the indefensible.  Howard and Hockey even explained that the other day  it doesn't take a mental giant to understand the reality of the situation unless you are a rusted-on ALP supporter it seems.


JOE Hockey says he regrets saying the Coalition needed to find up to $70 billion to fund its election promises

Hockey has been trying to re write that bit of his history ever since he said it.

Unfortunately Treasury looked at the numbers and said that it was right, the Independents looked at the numbers and found the same thing and Hockey admitted that it was correct.

You would not recognise a lie if it hit you over the head.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #382 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 6:11pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Don't you love when people who think they are bright get sucked in...

Quote:
Yep Rudd Lied


Yep he did and does with phenomenal regularity DNA.
Instead of trying to find excuses for this maggot just admit it... so much simpler and so much more honest.

Oh and please...  do try to quote things in context if you want to try and defend the indefensible.  Howard and Hockey even explained that the other day  it doesn't take a mental giant to understand the reality of the situation unless you are a rusted-on ALP supporter it seems.


JOE Hockey says he regrets saying the Coalition needed to find up to $70 billion to fund its election promises

Hockey has been trying to re write that bit of his history ever since he said it.

Unfortunately Treasury looked at the numbers and said that it was right, the Independents looked at the numbers and found the same thing and Hockey admitted that it was correct.

You would not recognise a lie if it hit you over the head.


I'm sorry I was born and around when the first $70 billion crap was brought up by the ALP.
What I've written can be verified by any competent journalist and has been  Grin  What you believe DNA is just plain crap.  Roll Eyes

Even Laurie Oakes an ALP supporter, and Mark Kenny, just to name 2 have verified it.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #383 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 6:47pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 6:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Don't you love when people who think they are bright get sucked in...

Quote:
Yep Rudd Lied


Yep he did and does with phenomenal regularity DNA.
Instead of trying to find excuses for this maggot just admit it... so much simpler and so much more honest.

Oh and please...  do try to quote things in context if you want to try and defend the indefensible.  Howard and Hockey even explained that the other day  it doesn't take a mental giant to understand the reality of the situation unless you are a rusted-on ALP supporter it seems.


JOE Hockey says he regrets saying the Coalition needed to find up to $70 billion to fund its election promises

Hockey has been trying to re write that bit of his history ever since he said it.

Unfortunately Treasury looked at the numbers and said that it was right, the Independents looked at the numbers and found the same thing and Hockey admitted that it was correct.

You would not recognise a lie if it hit you over the head.


I'm sorry I was born and around when the first $70 billion crap was brought up by the ALP.
What I've written can be verified by any competent journalist and has been   What you believe DNA is just plain crap. 

Even Laurie Oakes an ALP supporter, and Mark Kenny, just to name 2 have verified it.


Dribble all you like what I posted was the words used by Hockey himself at the time.

It is fact that treasury found the same problem and that the Independants agreed that it was true. This is not opinion these are facts - it is what happened.
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Reply #384 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:12am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Lies damned lies and the ALP...



2/ The interest rate cut. Borrowers, of course, welcome any relief, which is why Rudd was crowing on Tuesday. But Labor's claim that Hockey was arguing against the cut was nonsense. just another lie. Swan used to do the same thing as Rudd claim low interest rates were a Labor blessing bestowed upon the public yet failed to mention that RBA reductions were made to stir a stagnant economy. The Reserve Bank has been ordering cuts to stimulate a slowing economy for years. Considering te ALP's dishonesty with just about everything, the wisdom of Hockey to get into an argument about rates, is debatable. But his point about the lowest cash rate since the 1950s, a soft economy and a worrying outlook, is completely correct.

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Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey says the Reserve Bank's decision to cut the interest rate shows the economy is struggling and has been mismanaged by the Government.


Of course you guys are now saying that John Howard telling us for years that  low interest rates were a good thing and a sign of their great economic management was a lie????

The question is why is it now that Hockey has chosen to call Howard a liar ???

"Interest rates will always be lower under a coalition government" John Howard - and a line worshipped by ever conservative supporter.

You got the title wrong - it does not say Howards 61 Lies.


Howard himself address this one.  AS he pointed out, low interest rates in a stagnant or failing economy are an embarrassment - or should be.  The real skill is getting low interest rates in a BOOMING economy.
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Reply #385 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 7:21pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Don't you love when people who think they are bright get sucked in...

Quote:
Yep Rudd Lied


Yep he did and does with phenomenal regularity DNA.
Instead of trying to find excuses for this maggot just admit it... so much simpler and so much more honest.

Oh and please...  do try to quote things in context if you want to try and defend the indefensible.  Howard and Hockey even explained that the other day  it doesn't take a mental giant to understand the reality of the situation unless you are a rusted-on ALP supporter it seems.


JOE Hockey says he regrets saying the Coalition needed to find up to $70 billion to fund its election promises

Hockey has been trying to re write that bit of his history ever since he said it.

Unfortunately Treasury looked at the numbers and said that it was right, the Independents looked at the numbers and found the same thing and Hockey admitted that it was correct.

You would not recognise a lie if it hit you over the head.



a comment from 2 years ago prior to the current set of policies.  do you want a re-run of Labor policies?  what about the heap of policies they promised and didn't implement and as for cost-overruns...  labor has $70B black holes EVERY YEAR.
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Reply #386 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 7:57pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 7:21pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Don't you love when people who think they are bright get sucked in...

Quote:
Yep Rudd Lied


Yep he did and does with phenomenal regularity DNA.
Instead of trying to find excuses for this maggot just admit it... so much simpler and so much more honest.

Oh and please...  do try to quote things in context if you want to try and defend the indefensible.  Howard and Hockey even explained that the other day  it doesn't take a mental giant to understand the reality of the situation unless you are a rusted-on ALP supporter it seems.


JOE Hockey says he regrets saying the Coalition needed to find up to $70 billion to fund its election promises

Hockey has been trying to re write that bit of his history ever since he said it.

Unfortunately Treasury looked at the numbers and said that it was right, the Independents looked at the numbers and found the same thing and Hockey admitted that it was correct.

You would not recognise a lie if it hit you over the head.



a comment from 2 years ago prior to the current set of policies.  do you want a re-run of Labor policies?  what about the heap of policies they promised and didn't implement and as for cost-overruns...  labor has $70B black holes EVERY YEAR.


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1/ The origin of Labor's crap about austerity and the charge that Abbott is planning ''cuts to the bone'' to cover his $70 billion black hole was of course Joe Hockey. It was a figure Hockey verbally confided to a colleague in 2011, remember that? labor made a big deal of it then, but never told the truth about it. It was a figure created to unearth a leaker. Different figures were told to different people and once it surfaced. the leaker was found. Hockey however was given a difficult time by the LW media of course not helped by the continuous lies of the ALP. A good idea, but one that partially back-fired.


It was a figure Hockey verbally confided to a colleague in 2011, remember that? labor made a big deal of it then, but never told the truth about it. It was a figure created to unearth a leaker.

This is the fantasy Grend came out with - My post is in this context ??? You like to agree with what Grend has said ??????
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Reply #387 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 9:19pm
 
Funnily enough Laurie and Mark agree with me as do many other journos...
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Reply #388 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 9:31pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Funnily enough Laurie and Mark agree with me as do many other journos...



Bet you have no link to support that ??
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Reply #389 - Aug 10th, 2013 at 9:38pm
 
Why don't you google it then like i did.

Everything I posted was true in fact the post was based on a Mark Kenny article.

It must gall you to have faith and believe the crap that Rudd and his party put out.
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