Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
What essential difference is there, between the mo (Read 1954 times)
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 21582
A cat with a view
What essential difference is there, between the mo
Jul 11th, 2013 at 10:37pm
 
What essential difference is there, between the moslem and the infidel ?
....FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF AUTHENTIC, MAINSTREAM, ISLAMIC DOCTRINE ?







Islam's Hatred of the Non-Muslim

http://www.meforum.org/3545/islam-hatred-non-muslim
Quote:

....Islam and Infidels

The issue of the Muslim's relationship with the infidel is one of the most important in Islam. The amount of attention devoted to the infidel is huge: 64 percent of the total Qur'an addresses that relationship while 81 percent of the Sira (chronological biographies of Muhammad) and 37 percent of the Hadith (sayings attributed to Muhammad) focus on this as well. In sum, nearly two thirds of Shari'a (Islamic law) is devoted to the infidel.[9]

....The Qur'anic pedigree for this view is unambiguous. In the spirit of al-Wala wal-Bara, Muslims are to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel. The infidels must not be taken as friends. "Hostility and hate" exist between them forever until the infidel "believe in Allah alone."[23] They are a hated and cursed people; vile and evil-doers;[24] disgraced and misguided.[25] Even one's relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.[26] As Bernard Lewis has put it:

    Islam is still the ultimate criterion of group identity and loyalty. It is Islam that distinguishes between self and other, between insider and outsider, between brother and stranger … the ultimate definition of the other, the alien outsider and presumptive enemy, has been the kafir [infidel].[27]


....Supremacy of the Muslim and the Way of War
....Being God's chosen people, Muslims need have no guilt or remorse toward the infidels. The world is divided into two distinct realms: Dar al-Islam (the house of submission) and Dar al-Harb (the house of the sword), and the normal and only justified relationship between the two is a state of perpetual war. There can be no peace with non-Muslims, only temporary truces.[64] Islam's concept of a just war is any war directed against the infidels, whatever its causes and circumstances, since fighting the infidel is always morally justified and religiously legitimized.

Jihad reflects the normal relations existing between the believers and the infidel. Islamic wars are futuhat, derived from the Arabic root for "open" in the sense that they open the world to the call of Islam; wars instigated by the infidel are hurub, derived from the Arabic root for "anger." Any territory conquered during jihad by Muslims is waqf, never to be returned, while territory conquered by the infidel is considered occupation that must be returned by force.[65] By this reasoning, territorial expansion through war by Muslim forces is not aggression but fulfillment of the Qur'anic command to disseminate Islam.

Islam then sees war as the means of creating peace by subjugating all others and enforcing Islamic order. A pax Islamica covering the globe is the aim of jihad, and therefore, it is a just war. A hudna or truce does not imply the abandonment of jihad but rather a suspension of hostilities, a dormant status from which a leader may revive fighting at any time at his will.[66] For the Muslim, a permanent peace is a theological state to be achieved for the sake of the good (al-Wala) rather than a political one, which is no more than a temporary truce to gain strategic advantage.









Q.
And when we examine what mainstream ISLAM actually says about the mandated [the only lawful] form of relationship that must exist, between the moslem and the infidel, doesn't the deceit of 'peaceful', 'pluralistic', supposed 'Australian' moslems [and the deceit of the whole 'Australian' moslem community] become obvious ?

Because, when we examine, what mainstream ISLAM actually says [about the mandated [the only lawful] form of relationship that must exist, between the moslem and the infidel], doesn't it become obvious, that the 'friendly' moslems that we know, are either lying to us [the infidels], or, they are lying to their fellow moslems [the devout ones!].


from the same article.....
Quote:

A closer examination of Islam's central tenets is called for, one that gets past the feel-good nostrums of multiculturalism and that engages the Muslim belief-system on its own terms, beginning with one of the most fundamental of those tenets, the doctrine of al-Wala wal-Bara (love and hate for the sake of God).

.....Al-Wala wal-Bara means then total loyalty to Islam and total disavowal of anything else. It is one of Islam's main foundations.....Total allegiance and love are only to be given within the Islamic community, and rejection, hate, and enmity against the other is commanded, based upon Qur'anic foundations....





Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:02pm
 





Big difference

By their flash mobs ye shall know them.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:15pm by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
shockresist
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151
sydney
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #2 - Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:55pm
 


How many times do you recycle your posts Yadda?

Its unfortunate that you have a limited vocabularly.

Wala wal bara could have hundreds of meanings and examples. It has very little to do with hating non muslims.

Prophets Mohameds uncle, neighbours, mother and father and community members where non muslims. He maybe disagreed with there views but he never hated them.

Things that incorporate wala wal bara includes things like not lying, not cheating, not stealing, no fraud, no adultery etc etc.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48833
At my desk.
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #3 - Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:01pm
 
Muhammed commanded his followers not to steel everything from Christian churches and cart the loot off to their own homes. Obviously what he was trying to say is that they are equals. He just couldn't find the words. Perhaps there are non in Arabic.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
shockresist
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151
sydney
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #4 - Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:01pm:
Muhammed commanded his followers not to steel everything from Christian churches and cart the loot off to their own homes. Obviously what he was trying to say is that they are equals. He just couldn't find the words. Perhaps there are non in Arabic.


Im not to sure if im understanding what your saying.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48833
At my desk.
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #5 - Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:17pm
 
Perhaps it was Gandalf that posted that one. It was fairly recent. Don't you see how it proves that Muhammed had benign intentions towards non-Muslims?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
True Colours
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2837
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:05am
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:55pm:
How many times do you recycle your posts Yadda?


They are not his posts, he just cuts and pastes from bogus websites. He is not smart enough to come with those lies on his own.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
True Colours
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2837
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:08am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:01pm:
Muhammed commanded his followers not to steel everything from Christian churches...

Was there an iron shortage?

Freediver, Soren, Yadda...it's like they were dropped on their heads as infants
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
shockresist
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151
sydney
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:41am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:17pm:
Perhaps it was Gandalf that posted that one. It was fairly recent. Don't you see how it proves that Muhammed had benign intentions towards non-Muslims?


still not understanding what you mean.

First you talk about stealing from churches.Are you saying Prophet Mohamed was stealing from churches?

And now your talking about ill
intentions towards non-muslims.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: What essential difference is there, between the mo
Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:32am
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:08am:
Freediver, Soren, Yadda...it's like they were dropped on their heads as infants


...by muslim nannies.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print