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Reply #30 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny



Indeed, it was.

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I liked ....  ho lee bugger  ... what was she thinking reading that? A true professional
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Reply #31 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.
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Reply #32 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.


no one said you had to find it funny ... in fact, I don't remember mentioning you at all.
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Reply #33 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:26pm
 
Chard wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 6:56am:
JC Denton wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:44am:
im so glad we've got a censorious american here to sit around telling us about how racist we all are. i'm glad the united states has felt the need to export its pathological political correctness (which eventually leads to slow death by mass immigration) to the entire world.


I'm so glad we've got a racist Australian here to sit around telling us how politically correct we all are for not being racists. I'm glad Australia has felt the need to export its pathological racism (which will eventually lead to slow death by...

Oh, f*ck, I can't finish that with a straight face.  Are you serious, JC?  You're basically saying that it's perfectly fine to be a racist asshole. I'd like some clarification on that. Are you saying racism is ok, yes or no? If yes, then explain why you think it is acceptable to discriminate against others based on race. If no, just shut the f*ck up already.



Some Americans, including you, are so paralysed by the ever-present accusation of racism that you put up on the TV screen and read out on air four OBVIOUSLY joke Chinese names with a straight face. This hoax worked because there are millions of Americans like that TV newsreader and you, Wai So Dim.

Luckily, not all Americans are clowns like you and those TV idiots.

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Reply #34 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am
 
ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Im not a bigot, do you know what it means? Making a joke out of peoples names isnt bigotry.


When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.



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Sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder.


Probably because my black ass grew up listening to white assholes like you constantly say "Ah, it's just a joke" to excuse their bigoted assholery?  Of course you don't get it, you've never had to actually deal with discrimination in any meaningful way. Tell ya what, go live some place where you're an ethnic minority and the bulk of the ethnic majority are racist assholes and then come talk to me about chips on shoulders, son.
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Reply #35 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:50am
 
Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.


I think it depends whether a person is offended or not. People tend not to use "weird names" as insults in Australia because they just don't work in Australia. A person has to be an idiot to think weird names are insulting in Australia. Maybe that's not the case in America. Maybe weird names do hurt in America. But in Australia they are dumb and stupid. Your potential victim will ask you to think of a better insult.

You might have a little more success making fun of a person's educational background, like bragging about your university degree and belittling someone for not having one or for being a tradesperson. But then again, not everyone cares if you have a university degree or not, so the "insult" may fall on deaf ears. You might also have others in the crowd who don't have university degrees telling you to f**k off for being a snob. Australians don't like being patronised.

Race relations in Australia is not like it is in the USA. In fact, the most racist thing you can do to someone is to tell them they are not Australian, they do not belong here and to get a passport, get on a boat and f**k off back to their "own country." It's not a question of there not being racism in Australia, but the fact that racism is completely different here to what you have in the USA. We are a nation of immigrants, so we think of it in terms of immigration. Skin colour and linguistically influenced names are just a way of identifying a person's ancestry and cultural background.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
Probably because my black ass grew up listening to white assholes like you constantly say "Ah, it's just a joke" to excuse their bigoted assholery?  Of course you don't get it, you've never had to actually deal with discrimination in any meaningful way. Tell ya what, go live some place where you're an ethnic minority and the bulk of the ethnic majority are racist assholes and then come talk to me about chips on shoulders, son.


If racism is about power, domination, bullying and persecution, don't you think the insults have to hurt?

Just try making fun of an Asian in Australia, call him Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo or Ho Lee bugger. He'll laugh at you. Just try. He'd think you're an idiot.

The same tricks people use in the USA don't work in Australia. It's a totally different way of thinking. Cheesy

You need to learn how to be racist the Australian way before you can understand why we think a bunch of weird names isn't racist, because to us, something else is racist and it isn't that.
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Reply #36 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am
 
Mnemonic wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:50am:
I think it depends whether a person is offended or not.


Can we not engage in bullshit equivocations?  I can make the exact same argument as that in favor of drunk driving because not every drunk driver kills someone.


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People tend not to use "weird names" as insults in Australia because they just don't work in Australia. A person has to be an idiot to think weird names are insulting in Australia.


Weird names and making names based on specifically on someone's race are two totally different things. One is making up random words and the other involves being a racist c*nt.


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Maybe that's not the case in America. Maybe weird names do hurt in America. But in Australia they are dumb and stupid. Your potential victim will ask you to think of a better insult.


Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.  So of course it's easy for you to dismiss this as a joke, because racism is an abstract concept for you.  For me it's something I've lived with constantly for 36 goddamn years.


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Australians don't like being patronised.


Then maybe you guys need to stop being oblivious dumbasses so other people don't feel the need to be patronizing? Seriously, when someone who has been the victim racism tells you something is racist and you respond by going "hurr hurr, it's just a joke", then you deserve to be patronized since you're obviously to stupid to understand you're being an offensive tw*t.


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Race relations in Australia is not like it is in the USA. In fact, the most racist thing you can do to someone is to tell them they are not Australian, they do not belong here and to get a passport, get on a boat and f**k off back to their "own country."


Which is why I find it hilarious to hear an Australian try to tell me they have any goddamn idea of what constitutes racism. Who's a better judge of that, someone who has never experienced meaningful racism or someone that has? 

Christ, do I need to draw cartoons to get this point across?


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We are a nation of immigrants, so we think of it in terms of immigration.


So is the United States. What is your point?


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Skin colour and linguistically influenced names are just a way of identifying a person's ancestry and cultural background. [quote]

Oh, so you're saying those same determinators never get used for the basis of racial slurs?  I'll be sure to tell greet the next Aboriginal I meet with "Hey there, Abo.  What?  It's cool, some random white boy told me it was cool".


[quote]If racism is about power, domination, bullying and persecution, don't you think the insults have to hurt?


Doesn't matter if it hurts or not, the simple fact is it's still racism.  Just because a racist joke is stupid and doesn't get a laugh doesn't make it not racist.


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You need to learn how to be racist the Australian way before you can understand why we think a bunch of weird names isn't racist, because to us, something else is racist and it isn't that.


Why do I need to learn how you guys do racism when you've been doing your level best to ape the US?  Massively depopulate the indiginous people, chuck them on reservations and marginalize them in your society?  We did that to American Indians and you guys did it to the Aborigines. Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese. The only thing you haven't tried to ape is slavery, which is about the only positive thing I can say for Australia's history with racism.

So here's the deal, unless you're actually part of a minority and have suffered from racist f*cks, you do not know what you are talking about and should shut the f*ck up.
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Reply #37 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 7:58am
 
Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
ian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Im not a bigot, do you know what it means? Making a joke out of peoples names isnt bigotry.


When you're making name jokes entirely dependant on their race then it's a racist joke, dumbass. Seriously, how the f*ck do you not get that? Saying the pilot's name is "Sum Ting Wong" is every bit as racist as if the pilot had been black and they called him "Spearchucker Niggerscantfly".

On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?

A pilot, you smacking racist.





That's a funny joke. It works like most jokes - you don't expect the punchline - a pilot!
Good one.



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Reply #38 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:17am
 
Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese.



There are more Blacks and Hispanics in and Lebanese and Aborigines  in prison than their proportion of the wider population would indicate.
These are people convicted, in Australia and the US where conviction rates are pretty low, what with cautions, suspended sentences, early releases and so forth.

So the stereotypes are not baseless.

Secondly, if Blacks and Hispanics and Lebanese and Abrigines go to school, do their homework, speak properly, don't get into the mentality BS and apply themselves in useful occupations according to their talents, they become Secretaries of State, lawyers, doctors, Senators, chairmen of banks etc.
It's not magic, it's not white conspiracy. 

If you guys focused on being good at something useful rather than excel at topping the prison population contest, you'd get a lot more respect and would evidently not be discriminated against. Yo brotherz are in jail but you call yourselves the victims?! It's a lazy reflex. What do you call the people who were bashed, robbed, raped, killed by convicted criminals?
Pilots?
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Reply #39 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:28am
 
Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Weird names and making names based on specifically on someone's race are two totally different things. One is making up random words and the other involves being a racist c*nt.


That's actually what I was talking about: making names based on someone's cultural background.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.  So of course it's easy for you to dismiss this as a joke, because racism is an abstract concept for you.


I don't normally mention this, but because you asked, no I am not white.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
For me it's something I've lived with constantly for 36 goddamn years.


You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia. Like I said, if you were to experience racism in Australia, it would be unlikely to involve making names based on someone's cultural background because it would be silly and wouldn't be an effective insult. I don't call it being racist. I call it being silly.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Which is why I find it hilarious to hear an Australian try to tell me they have any goddamn idea of what constitutes racism. Who's a better judge of that, someone who has never experienced meaningful racism or someone that has?

Christ, do I need to draw cartoons to get this point across?


Race and racism are social constructs, the meaning of which comes from your own personal experience of them. You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia, so your idea of "racism" is shaped by your experience in the USA. You're an expert on American racism, but not on Australian racism.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
So is the United States. What is your point?


Race relations in Australia has, for most of Australia's history, mostly been an immigration issue more than anything else.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Oh, so you're saying those same determinators never get used for the basis of racial slurs?  I'll be sure to tell greet the next Aboriginal I meet with "Hey there, Abo.  What?  It's cool, some random white boy told me it was cool".


Anyone who wants to be really insulting wouldn't try to use them as an insult. People may have tried to use "racial slurs" to make fun of people in primary school. Some of it may continue in high school, but slowly, as people get older and more mature, they realise how crude and silly these "racial slurs" are. It's like toilet humour, talking about urine, faeces and making jokes about farting and sex. When you're a kid, that stuff is funny, but you grow out of that stuff. When you get to secondary school, sex, farting and bodily functions become a serious business. As you go through puberty you stop thinking of them as a joke. You also stop thinking that making weird names out of someone else's language is funny. By the time people get to university, most of them have stopped doing it.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Doesn't matter if it hurts or not, the simple fact is it's still racism.  Just because a racist joke is stupid and doesn't get a laugh doesn't make it not racist.


I don't consider it "racism" because I always thought "racism" had to be a "threat." If someone makes a stupid joke, they aren't a threat. They aren't a threat because most mature adults are not stupid enough to try to use the "joke" as an insult. Someone may say something stupid, but their peers who are mature adults are not going to join in because they are intelligent enough not to support it even if they were racist. If they really wanted to be insulting and hostile and express their "racism," they would find other ways to express it.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Why do I need to learn how you guys do racism when you've been doing your level best to ape the US?  Massively depopulate the indiginous people, chuck them on reservations and marginalize them in your society?  We did that to American Indians and you guys did it to the Aborigines.


It looks like you aren't saints either. Our two countries are even. If you have experienced racism your whole life in the USA, why point the finger at Australia? It seems to me that every country that has ever tried developing a multi-ethnic community deals with the problem in its own way.

Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes?  We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese.


Yes we do have stereotypes about Lebanese people. There are stereotypes, but using weird names as insults to demean people based on their language isn't one of them.

I also haven't heard it being used as a joke here in Australia for a very, very long time. The fact that it happened in the USA means that for now, Australia is off the hook. Cheesy
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Reply #40 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:54am
 
Chard wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 2:03am:
On a lighter note, what do you call an educated black man that flies aircraft for a living?


Denzel Washington.  Cool

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Reply #41 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:10am
 
Chard...

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Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.


You can't be serious.

The very first job I got in Australia was cleaning toilets in a factory ~ and because I was uniquely an Englishman, the Southern European ethnics took particular delight in trying to humiliate me.

One Italian's big moment of the day was to smear his poo across the wall of his cubicle EACH and every morning before I would arrive with my mop and bucket. I never complained.

One day I put in a requisition order for a hose with a nozzle. This piqued the Australian boss's curiosity when the storeman required his signature.

The boss left the office complex and came to see me. That's when I was forced to explain myself. He couldn't believe I'd kept quiet about it.

Consequence:

The Italian was sacked.
They hired a new cleaner.
I was moved over to assist in the store room.

And that's just one story of many.

So stop thinking yo black ass got a monopoly on sob-stories.
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Reply #42 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:20pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.


no one said you had to find it funny ... in fact, I don't remember mentioning you at all.


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Reply #43 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:24pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:26pm:
racist or not,  watching that video clip I have to say it was bloody funny


Yeah, my guts gave me waste retention failure, and I had a cleaning job to do after viewing that footage. Called the nearest farmer to see if he could shoot me with horse tranquilisers to try and settle me down. Oh, mah siiides were a-splittin'.


no one said you had to find it funny ... in fact, I don't remember mentioning you at all.


Well, excccUUUUsse me!


you are excused
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Reply #44 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:26pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:10am:
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Question...  Are you white?  If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind.


You can't be serious.

The very first job I got in Australia was cleaning toilets in a factory ~ and because I was uniquely an Englishman, the Southern European ethnics took particular delight in trying to humiliate me.

One Italian's big moment of the day was to smear his poo across the wall of his cubicle EACH and every morning before I would arrive with my mop and bucket. I never complained.

One day I put in a requisition order for a hose with a nozzle. This piqued the Australian boss's curiosity when the storeman required his signature.

The boss left the office complex and came to see me. That's when I was forced to explain myself. He couldn't believe I'd kept quiet about it.

Consequence:

The Italian was sacked.
They hired a new cleaner.
I was moved over to assist in the store room.

And that's just one story of many.

So stop thinking yo black ass got a monopoly on sob-stories.


so that's why you are racist against Italians.

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