Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Weird names and making names based on specifically on someone's race are two totally different things. One is making up random words and the other involves being a racist c*nt.
That's actually what I was talking about: making names based on someone's cultural background.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Question... Are you white? If yes, then as an Australian, you're part of the ethnic majority and as such have probably never faced discrimination of any meaningful kind. So of course it's easy for you to dismiss this as a joke, because racism is an abstract concept for you.
I don't normally mention this, but because you asked, no I am not white.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
For me it's something I've lived with constantly for 36 goddamn years.
You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia. Like I said, if you were to experience racism in Australia, it would be unlikely to involve making names based on someone's cultural background because it would be silly and wouldn't be an effective insult. I don't call it being racist. I call it being silly.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Which is why I find it hilarious to hear an Australian try to tell me they have any goddamn idea of what constitutes racism. Who's a better judge of that, someone who has never experienced meaningful racism or someone that has?
Christ, do I need to draw cartoons to get this point across?
Race and racism are social constructs, the meaning of which comes from your own personal experience of them. You experienced it in the USA, not in Australia, so your idea of "racism" is shaped by your experience in the USA. You're an expert on American racism, but not on Australian racism.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
So is the United States. What is your point?
Race relations in Australia has, for most of Australia's history, mostly been an immigration issue more than anything else.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Oh, so you're saying those same determinators never get used for the basis of racial slurs? I'll be sure to tell greet the next Aboriginal I meet with "Hey there, Abo. What? It's cool, some random white boy told me it was cool".
Anyone who wants to be really insulting wouldn't try to use them as an insult. People may have tried to use "racial slurs" to make fun of people in primary school. Some of it may continue in high school, but slowly, as people get older and more mature, they realise how crude and silly these "racial slurs" are. It's like toilet humour, talking about urine, faeces and making jokes about farting and sex. When you're a kid, that stuff is funny, but you grow out of that stuff. When you get to secondary school, sex, farting and bodily functions become a serious business. As you go through puberty you stop thinking of them as a joke. You also stop thinking that making weird names out of someone else's language is funny. By the time people get to university, most of them have stopped doing it.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Doesn't matter if it hurts or not, the simple fact is it's still racism. Just because a racist joke is stupid and doesn't get a laugh doesn't make it not racist.
I don't consider it "racism" because I always thought "racism" had to be a "threat." If someone makes a stupid joke, they aren't a threat. They aren't a threat because most mature adults are not stupid enough to try to use the "joke" as an insult. Someone may say something stupid, but their peers who are mature adults are not going to join in because they are intelligent enough not to support it even if they were racist. If they really wanted to be insulting and hostile and express their "racism," they would find other ways to express it.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Why do I need to learn how you guys do racism when you've been doing your level best to ape the US? Massively depopulate the indiginous people, chuck them on reservations and marginalize them in your society? We did that to American Indians and you guys did it to the Aborigines.
It looks like you aren't saints either. Our two countries are even. If you have experienced racism your whole life in the USA, why point the finger at Australia? It seems to me that every country that has ever tried developing a multi-ethnic community deals with the problem in its own way.
Chard wrote on Jul 15
th, 2013 at 4:41am:
Treating ethnic minorities as criminals based on stereotypes? We do it with Blacks and Latinos, you guys do it with the Lebanese.
Yes we do have stereotypes about Lebanese people. There are stereotypes, but using weird names as insults to demean people based on their language isn't one of them.
I also haven't heard it being used as a joke here in Australia for a very, very long time. The fact that it happened in the USA means that for now, Australia is off the hook.