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Reply #1 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:27pm
 
LOL - they lost the debate.

I was going to post this myself. The third speaker for the affirmative was brilliant.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 5:50pm
 
Mehdi hasan was brilliant.

Soren got owned.
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 5:55pm
 
Study shows Islam growing, Christianity declining in the UK



By: John Bingham

Source: telegraph.co.uk

A new analysis of the 2011 census shows that a decade of mass immigration helped mask the scale of decline in Christian affiliation among the British-born population – while driving a dramatic increase in Islam, particularly among the young.

It suggests that only a minority of people will describe themselves as Christians within the next decade, for first time.

Meanwhile almost one in 10 under 25s in Britain is now a Muslim.

The proportion of young people who describe themselves as even nominal Christians has dropped below half for the first time.

Initial results from the 2011 census published last year showed that the total number of people in England and Wales who described themselves as Christian fell by 4.1 million – a decline of 10 per cent.
But new analysis from the Office for National Statistics shows that that figure was bolstered by 1.2 million foreign-born Christians, including Polish Catholics and evangelicals from countries such as Nigeria.They disclosed that there were in fact 5.3 million fewer British-born people describing themselves as Christians, a decline of 15 per cent in just a decade.At the same time the number of Muslims in England and Wales surged by 75 per cent – boosted by almost 600,000 more foreign born followers of the Islamic faith.

While almost half of British Muslims are under the age of 25, almost a quarter of Christians are over 65.

The average age of a British Muslim is just 25, not far off half that of a British Christian.

Younger people also drove a shift away from religion altogether, with 6.4 million more people describing themselves as having no faith than 10 years earlier.

Secular campaigners said the new figures showed that Christianity had now dropped below “critical mass” making the case for disestablishing the Church of England stronger.

But the Church insisted that while there had been a significant drop in “nominal” Christians, the core of the Church remained firm.

Prof David Coleman, Professor of demography at Oxford University, said: “This is a very substantial change – it is difficult to see whether any other change in the census could have been remotely as big.

“But I wonder how far it reflects an overarching change in society where it is more acceptable more normal to say that you are not religious or are not Christian.”

Dr Fraser Watts, a Cambridge theologian, said it was “entirely possible” the people identifying themselves as Christians could become a minority within the next decade on the basis of the figures.

“It is still pretty striking and it is a worrying trend and confirms what anyone can observe – that in many churches the majority of the congregation are over 60,” he said.

Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said the long-term reduction of Christianity, particularly among young people, was now “unstoppable”.

“In another 20 years there are going to be more active Muslims than there are churchgoers,” he said.

“The time has now come that institutional Christianity is no longer justified, the number has dropped below critical mass for which there is no longer any justification for the established Church, for example, or the monarch going through a religious ceremony at coronation.

“The expressions of optimism by the church are just completely misplaced.”

But a spokesman for the Church of England said: “These figures highlight the diversity of Christianity in this country today, something which has been increasing for decades and shows the relevance of Christianity to people from all backgrounds.

“These figures once again confirm that this remains a faithful nation and that the fall in the numbers identifying themselves as Christians is a challenge but – as you can see from the stability of Church of England attendance figures – the committed worshipping centre of the church remains firm.

“The challenge to the Church is to reconnect with the nominal.”
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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:38pm
 
Neither of you have disputed, let alone refuted, anything Daniel Johnson said.
Because you can't.





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Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:10pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 5:50pm:
Mehdi hasan was brilliant.

Soren got owned.


Owned? Good heavens, the old boy is free to think for himself! You must admit, in a civilised society, he does have that liberty.

He just chooses not to.

Scientific, innit. Superior logic. Common sense - on stilts.

Have another stilt - have two!
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Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:19pm
 
Lets see Daniel talk about rape of kids in the catholic church.





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Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:38pm:
Neither of you have disputed, let alone refuted, anything Daniel Johnson said.
Because you can't.


MOTION: THIS HOUSE BELIEVES ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.
Yes’s: 286
No’s: 168
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Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:05pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 5:50pm:
Mehdi hasan was brilliant.

Soren got owned.

Mehdi is a great speaker. Johnson just peddles lies and half-truths.
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Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:41pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:05pm:
Johnson just peddles lies and half-truths.



For example?
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Reply #10 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:40am
 


Daniel Johnson | Islam Is Not A Peaceful Religion | Oxford Union

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MDlZk89oaQ




Is Daniel Johnson, a [lefist] worm who has turned ?

Anyway, he gave a very good public oration about the 'cancer' in our midst, good on him for it.

And during the oration we could see many of the 'cancer cells' close by, squirming in discomfort!




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Will we ever see such sentiments/arguments publicly expressed here in Australia on the ABC TV, 'Big Ideas', forum ???






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True Colours wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:05pm:
shockresist wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 5:50pm:
Mehdi hasan was brilliant.

Soren got owned.

Mehdi is a great speaker. Johnson just peddles lies and half-truths.





Are forums like this slowly dying?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365893107/5#5
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Open societies do not fear the opinions of fools.
....they rather, EXPOSE and laugh at folly!

In any free and open debate, if a 'position' is absurd, if an 'argument' is absurd,
...then the debater is [often] condemned to all, WITH HIS OWN WORDS.

And isn't the exposure of folly, and error, THE VERY FUNCTION, of free and open debate?


Free and open debate *is meant* to be a contest of ideas!
....where every folly is revealed.

And i would contend, that open debate is healthy, to all general freedoms in a society.

Whereas, lies are easily concealed in closed societies,
....*because* these closed societies are places where lies, and falsehood,
....ARE NEVER EXPOSED TO SCRUTINY, OR SPOKEN TRUTH.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:40am:
Anyway, he gave a very good public oration about the 'cancer' in our midst, good on him for it.



Hitler and Goebbels would be so proud of you Yadda. Do you believe your hatred is a great advertisement for your beliefs?
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Reply #12 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:40am:
Anyway, he gave a very good public oration about the 'cancer' in our midst, good on him for it.



Hitler and Goebbels would be so proud of you Yadda.


I think what there trying to say here is that jews and christiand are peaceful.

Just ask the people of Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya.
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Reply #13 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 6:43am
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:01pm:
True Colours wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:40am:
Anyway, he gave a very good public oration about the 'cancer' in our midst, good on him for it.



Hitler and Goebbels would be so proud of you Yadda.



I think what there trying to say here is that jews and christiand are peaceful.

Just ask the people of Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya.






I don't believe that it is credible in this information age;


http://www.jihadwatch.org/


THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

...for moslems to incessantly and insistently make the claim that 'moslems are innocents', who are always the persecuted victims of others.

Or to make the claim that ISLAM can be realistically or credibly portrayed as a benevolent and virtuous philosophy.



Examining all of the freely available evidence [relating to the intent of ISLAM/moslems], it is clear [to all reasonable men in this age] that ISLAM is a vicious and malevolent philosophy, which is destructive to the human psyche.

And [it is clear to all reasonable men], that moslems [ALL moslems who have come of age], are a highly deceitful, malicious, malevolent and violent group of human beings, who justify and choose to live by a morality and set of rules/laws that are viewed as repugnant by almost all other human beings, who are not enthralled by ISLAM.








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Examples of information about moslem intent, which give the lie to claims of 'innocence' and 'virtue' of moslems [and the moslem community];





EXAMPLE #1;

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

ISLAM makes lawful, any and every moslem lawlessness and savagery - so long as such ISLAMIC savagery is visited upon those persons who are outside of the moslem 'camp'.

How ?

Because ISLAM itself
, 'legitimises' moslem lawlessness and savagery, against those who reject ISLAM.






EXAMPLE #2;

FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11






EXAMPLE #3;

ISLAM - deceitful, hateful, vicious, and without an ounce of integrity...

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0






EXAMPLE #4;

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece






EXAMPLE #5;

Islam's Hatred of the Non-Muslim

http://www.meforum.org/3545/islam-hatred-non-muslim
Quote:

....Supremacy of the Muslim and the Way of War
....Being God's chosen people, Muslims need have no guilt or remorse toward the infidels. The world is divided into two distinct realms: Dar al-Islam (the house of submission) and Dar al-Harb (the house of the sword), and the normal and only justified relationship between the two is a state of perpetual war. There can be no peace with non-Muslims, only temporary truces.[64] Islam's concept of a just war is any war directed against the infidels, whatever its causes and circumstances, since fighting the infidel is always morally justified and religiously legitimized.

.....Islam then sees war as the means of creating peace by subjugating all others and enforcing Islamic order. A pax Islamica covering the globe is the aim of jihad, and therefore, it is a just war. A hudna or truce does not imply the abandonment of jihad but rather a suspension of hostilities, a dormant status from which a leader may revive fighting at any time at his will.[66] For the Muslim, a permanent peace is a theological state to be achieved for the sake of the good (al-Wala) rather than a political one, which is no more than a temporary truce to gain strategic advantage.










IN THEIR PORTRAYING ISLAM [to non-moslems] AS A VIRTUOUS AND BENIGN PHILOSOPHY,
ALL MOSLEMS, ARE COMPLICIT, IN LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #14 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 6:44am
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:01pm:
True Colours wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:40am:
Anyway, he gave a very good public oration about the 'cancer' in our midst, good on him for it.



Hitler and Goebbels would be so proud of you Yadda.


I think what there trying to say here is that jews and christiand are peaceful.

Just ask the people of Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya.





A LYING DECEITFUL 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEM COMMUNITY
, are using sophistry and blatant unashamed deceit to deceive local non-moslem host communities, about the nature of ISLAM/moslems....

["unashamed deceit" - when their deceit is exposed, moslems will barefacedly deny the evidence of their deceit.]



EXAMPLE #1,

The Muslim Council of Britain [which presents itself as the umbrella organisation, in the UK, representing all British 'mainstream' moslems] declares on its website that the moslem community, condemns extremism and violence....

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.




http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656




YET, FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT.....



"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111iEXAMPLE #2,

Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

Quote:

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.


Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html





EXAMPLE #3,

a deceit, that is endorsed by 'mainstream' ISLAM, as per revealed by this moslem scholar......

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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