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Jul 17th, 2013 at 10:32am
 
The Muselman will never ever better himself. This is because he bases his life on a despicable and violent book.

Yes, your Muselman is illiterate, but people tell him what the book says and he follows it, word for word. Your Muselman, you see, is performative.

Muselman politics are essentially about blowing things up - car bombings, suicide bombings, or hurling rockets at the country next door. The Muselman gets this from his book, which people interpret for him, word for word.

When he's not bombing, your Muselmen goes about slashing things. He's good with a blade, you see. He mainly stabs his wives, but he'll go for you too if you're not looking. Your Muselman loves blood - it's what his religion is all about.

It's in his culture, which is backward and corrupt - always, absolutely. Justice, liberty, a rule of law - these are an anathema to your Muselman, who is essentially a wild animal. Your Muselman can never live peaceably with others - never ever.  Having Muselmen in the city is like allowing a whole pack of rabid dogs to roam free.

Your Muselman has always been thus - always. Absolutely. Just look at history - nothing but war and chaos going back to the 8th century. Your Muselman started it, and he's been the enemy of the West ever since. Communists, Japs, Krauts, Austro-Hungarians, Prussians, the French, etc, etc, etc - these are chickenfeed compared to your Muselman.

Wherever there's a Muselman, there's trouble. Strangely, wherever there isn't a Muselman there's trouble too. Your Muselman has this cunning ability, you see, to create fear, violence and carnage everywhere. You only have to look at the news.

This is why your Muselman will always be the enemy of the West - always. Absolutely. He will never better himself - never. Ever. Never ever. Ever.

Yes, your Muselman and his appeasers will try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.

The only solution to this age-old problem is to carpet-bomb the lot of them. Oh yes, they'll try to get out of this, but it's good for them. It will bring them demokracy, you see.

Due to his illiteracy, backwardness and corruption, your Muselman will never understand this, but at least we can say we've tried. It's our duty as a civilized race.
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Reply #1 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 10:46am
 
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #2 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:16pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 10:32am:
The Muselman will never ever better himself. This is because he bases his life on a despicable and violent book.

Yes, your Muselman is illiterate, but people tell him what the book says and he follows it, word for word. Your Muselman, you see, is performative.

Muselman politics are essentially about blowing things up - car bombings, suicide bombings, or hurling rockets at the country next door. The Muselman gets this from his book, which people interpret for him, word for word.

When he's not bombing, your Muselmen goes about slashing things. He's good with a blade, you see. He mainly stabs his wives, but he'll go for you too if you're not looking. Your Muselman loves blood - it's what his religion is all about.

It's in his culture, which is backward and corrupt - always, absolutely. Justice, liberty, a rule of law - these are an anathema to your Muselman, who is essentially a wild animal. Your Muselman can never live peaceably with others - never ever.  Having Muselmen in the city is like allowing a whole pack of rabid dogs to roam free.

Your Muselman has always been thus - always. Absolutely. Just look at history - nothing but war and chaos going back to the 8th century. Your Muselman started it, and he's been the enemy of the West ever since. Communists, Japs, Krauts, Austro-Hungarians, Prussians, the French, etc, etc, etc - these are chickenfeed compared to your Muselman.

Wherever there's a Muselman, there's trouble. Strangely, wherever there isn't a Muselman there's trouble too. Your Muselman has this cunning ability, you see, to create fear, violence and carnage everywhere. You only have to look at the news.

This is why your Muselman will always be the enemy of the West - always. Absolutely. He will never better himself - never. Ever. Never ever. Ever.

Yes, your Muselman and his appeasers will try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.

The only solution to this age-old problem is to carpet-bomb the lot of them. Oh yes, they'll try to get out of this, but it's good for them. It will bring them demokracy, you see.

Due to his illiteracy, backwardness and corruption, your Muselman will never understand this, but at least we can say we've tried. It's our duty as a civilized race.





You almost got it K!      Tongue






The West should separate itself from all aspects of ISLAM/moslems.

Let the moslemen stew, in their own 'perfection' - in their own 'perfect' religion.

How has the last 1,400 years gone gone for the moslems - doing that ?       Tongue





K,

80 % of what you stated above,
and these two YT's [below, and many, many, other evidences about this corrosive philosophy, ISLAM] confirm that the peoples of the West should CHOOSE, 100%, to separate themselves from all aspects of ISLAM/moslems.....





Please watch this YT...
ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw


Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0





MORE YT.....

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4






MORE 'PEACEFUL', PLACARD WAVING, TOTALLY 'MORAL' MOSLEMS.....

IMAGE...
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London, mainstream moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 10:32am:
The Muselman will never ever better himself. This is because he bases his life on a despicable and violent book.

Yes, your Muselman is illiterate, but people tell him what the book says and he follows it, word for word. Your Muselman, you see, is performative.

Muselman politics are essentially about blowing things up - car bombings, suicide bombings, or hurling rockets at the country next door. The Muselman gets this from his book, which people interpret for him, word for word.

When he's not bombing, your Muselmen goes about slashing things. He's good with a blade, you see. He mainly stabs his wives, but he'll go for you too if you're not looking. Your Muselman loves blood - it's what his religion is all about.

It's in his culture, which is backward and corrupt - always, absolutely. Justice, liberty, a rule of law - these are an anathema to your Muselman, who is essentially a wild animal. Your Muselman can never live peaceably with others - never ever.  Having Muselmen in the city is like allowing a whole pack of rabid dogs to roam free.

Your Muselman has always been thus - always. Absolutely. Just look at history - nothing but war and chaos going back to the 8th century. Your Muselman started it, and he's been the enemy of the West ever since. Communists, Japs, Krauts, Austro-Hungarians, Prussians, the French, etc, etc, etc - these are chickenfeed compared to your Muselman.

Wherever there's a Muselman, there's trouble. Strangely, wherever there isn't a Muselman there's trouble too. Your Muselman has this cunning ability, you see, to create fear, violence and carnage everywhere. You only have to look at the news.

This is why your Muselman will always be the enemy of the West - always. Absolutely. He will never better himself - never. Ever. Never ever. Ever.

Yes, your Muselman and his appeasers will try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.

The only solution to this age-old problem is to carpet-bomb the lot of them. Oh yes, they'll try to get out of this, but it's good for them. It will bring them demokracy, you see.

Due to his illiteracy, backwardness and corruption, your Muselman will never understand this, but at least we can say we've tried. It's our duty as a civilized race.


Your the stupid and illiterate one.

What is the meaning of Muselman?

Muselman-

A condemned prisoner of a Nazi death camp in World War II. Deemed unfit to work, women, young children, and old men were sent to be executed and burned. You didn't want to be a muselman.
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Reply #4 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 1:33pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:54pm:
 

Your the stupid and illiterate one. 


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Reply #5 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 1:47pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 10:32am:
The Muselman will never ever better himself. This is because he bases his life on a despicable and violent book.

Yes, your Muselman is illiterate, but people tell him what the book says and he follows it, word for word. Your Muselman, you see, is performative.

Muselman politics are essentially about blowing things up - car bombings, suicide bombings, or hurling rockets at the country next door. The Muselman gets this from his book, which people interpret for him, word for word.

When he's not bombing, your Muselmen goes about slashing things. He's good with a blade, you see. He mainly stabs his wives, but he'll go for you too if you're not looking. Your Muselman loves blood - it's what his religion is all about.

It's in his culture, which is backward and corrupt - always, absolutely. Justice, liberty, a rule of law - these are an anathema to your Muselman, who is essentially a wild animal. Your Muselman can never live peaceably with others - never ever.  Having Muselmen in the city is like allowing a whole pack of rabid dogs to roam free.

Your Muselman has always been thus - always. Absolutely. Just look at history - nothing but war and chaos going back to the 8th century. Your Muselman started it, and he's been the enemy of the West ever since. Communists, Japs, Krauts, Austro-Hungarians, Prussians, the French, etc, etc, etc - these are chickenfeed compared to your Muselman.

Wherever there's a Muselman, there's trouble. Strangely, wherever there isn't a Muselman there's trouble too. Your Muselman has this cunning ability, you see, to create fear, violence and carnage everywhere. You only have to look at the news.

This is why your Muselman will always be the enemy of the West - always. Absolutely. He will never better himself - never. Ever. Never ever. Ever.

Yes, your Muselman and his appeasers will try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.

The only solution to this age-old problem is to carpet-bomb the lot of them. Oh yes, they'll try to get out of this, but it's good for them. It will bring them demokracy, you see.

Due to his illiteracy, backwardness and corruption, your Muselman will never understand this, but at least we can say we've tried. It's our duty as a civilized race.


Your the stupid and illiterate one.

What is the meaning of Muselman?

Muselman-

A condemned prisoner of a Nazi death camp in World War II. Deemed unfit to work, women, young children, and old men were sent to be executed and burned. You didn't want to be a muselman.


Good point. This is the quaint old European view of the Muselman - an image of Arabs starving in the desert - an image no doubt popularized during the desert and Afrikan campaigns of German and Italian forces during, and prior to, WWII.

It borrows from an older Orientalist view of the Arab and North African Muselman - a view of your Muselman as harmless desert camel-drivers, hungry Egyptian touts, desperate bazaar merchants. While the British had a different experience of the Muselman in India and Afghanistan, the Europeans saw things through the influence of French and Italian colonialism. The Middle East was a place of great feast and famine, much crop production based around the seasonal flow of the Nile.

Thus, your Muselman - a ragged, starving coolie; lazy and unproductive - essentially useless. Somewhere along the way, this trope changed. I track this change to the 1980s, a historical shift in information technology that ultimately saw the end of the Cold War. Two images, both from the new cable TV networks and lighter news video cameras: the Afghan freedom fighter resisting Soviet imperialism; and the Iranian Islamic revolutionary, burning Amerikan flags in the street.

Your Auschwitz Muselman is an image of colonialism. Your Kalashnikov-slinging, flag-burning Muselman is an image of post-colonial resistance.

Still, never ever, eh?
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Islam made the west cool so don’t hate


byKhaled Diab


Those who fear Muslim influence should raise a glass to the Sultan of Style next time they freshen up, don the latest fashions or enjoy a delicious three-course meal.

In the wake of the Woolwich machete attack against an off-duty British army drummer, the stabbing in Paris of a French soldier and the Boston marathon attack, anti-Muslim sentiments have, as might be expected, increased in Europe and the United States.

In the U.K., for example, the far-right British National Party (BNP) — which had such a disastrous showing at recent local elections that it has urged it members to “do our bit for Britain and our race” by breeding more — and English Defence League have been mobilizing overtime to capitalize on the fallout.

The BNP leader Nick Griffin called ominously on supporters to “join the British resistance“, while another senior party official suggested that the men behind the London murder should be executed. Meanwhile, anti-Muslim hate crimes are running at 10 times their usual rate, according to a British government hotline.

The United States has also experienced a backlash in what Salon dubbed as the “return of the anti-Muslim bigots“. There have been hate crimes as well as suggestions for blanket spying on Muslims.

On both sides of the Atlantic, there has been growing fear of the “Islamization” of society and the notion that Muslims stand opposed to Western values is gaining traction. This is reflected in a new cross-border survey, which shows that majorities in a number of Western societies regard Islam as a threat.

As I’ve argued before, and despite my concerns over Islamic radicalism and extremism, Islam is not alien to Western civilization but an integral part of it. In fact, Islam and the Muslim influence are deeply woven into the West’s social and civilizational fabric.

Readers may well have come across historical explanations of the contributions Muslims made to modern sciences, philosophy, medicine, agriculture, sociology and other areas of learning. Here, I’d like to explore how Muslims helped make the West “cool,” shaped our modern tastes and sensibilities and gave us many things we regard as quintessentially Western, such as the café.

In fact, I’d like to introduce just one man, Ziryab (Blackbird), the Sultan of Style, who, given his contribution to European chic, should have statues erected to him in Milan, Paris, London and New York. Although you may never have heard of this dandy ninth century Muslim, his genius touches the most private and intimate moments of all our lives — modern etiquette would be positively vulgar without his tasteful influence.

Born Abul Hassan Ali Ibn Nafie in modern-day Iraq in 789 A.D., he joined the court of the legendary Haroun al-Rashid (also of 1,001 Arabian Nights’ fame) where he was the student of a gifted musician. But after stepping too hard on the toes of his mentor, he hot-heeled it to the rising star of Baghdad’s cultural and scientific rival, Cordoba in Andalusia.

There, he joined the court of the Umayyad Prince of Cordoba Abdel-Rahman II. Islamic Cordoba was a beautiful and manicured metropolis of imposing public buildings, although it still lacked its most famous landmark, the 10th century Great Mosque (the Mezquita, as it is known today).

It boasted about 1,000 mosques, 600 public baths, several hundred public schools and a university, not to mention the grand aqueducts in the surrounding countryside that fed the complex irrigation system introduced to the area by the Arabs.

Although he lived a few centuries before the Renaissance, Ziryab was a true “Renaissance man.” In addition to being a polymath with knowledge in astronomy, geography, meteorology and botany, he was also a visionary trendsetter.

As an accomplished singer and musician — he was reputed to have memorized a repertoire of more than 10,000 songs — Ziryab added a fifth string to the Arab oud, creating the lute (which is also etymologically derived from the Arabic al-oud) that would, through the Spanish, spread across Europe.

Ziryab also rearranged musical theory, setting free the metrical and rhythmical parameters, creating new ways of expression (known as mwashah, zajal and nawbah). This musical genius established the world’s first known conservatory where aspiring young musicians learnt harmony and composition and were encouraged to develop musical theory further.

But one thing above all else constitutes Ziryab’s gravest or greatest legacy, depending on your standpoint, to prosperity. “Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months,” Oscar Wilde, that Ziryab-like Englishman, once retorted. But who, Mr. Wilde, was it that first came up with the revolutionary idea of seasonally shedding our clothes?

Ziryab’s earth-shattering innovation was to submit fashion to the cycle of the seasons. This trendsetter came up with the then outlandish idea that people should wear different styles — and not just more layers or an overcoat — in summer and in winter. He even invented in-between seasons.

This hip Muslim brought a similar orderly flare to food. When people think of haute cuisine, their minds tend to go all Français. French may be the lingua franca of food — with its entrées, appetizers, aperitifs, desserts, etc. — and the French have given us much to savor. However, the modern dining experience was forged in Arabic.

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I have read books written by Holocaust survivors, and the term 'Muselman' to describe the weakest prisoners seems to have been coined by the Jews themselves - not Christian European. It demonstrates the hatred that most Jews have towards Muslims - borne out when survivors of Nazi oppression decided to unleash Nazi-esque tactics against the Palestinians. You would think that people who had just suffered such a thing would know better.
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True Colours wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:55pm:
I have read books written by Holocaust survivors, and the term 'Muselman' to describe the weakest prisoners seems to have been coined by the Jews themselves - not Christian European. It demonstrates the hatred that most Jews have towards Muslims - borne out when survivors of Nazi oppression decided to unleash Nazi-esque tactics against the Palestinians. You would think that people who had just suffered such a thing would know better.


Maybe, but it was a term the SS used as well.

Anyway, the Jews in the camps were Europeans, not Palestinians. I doubt there was a lot of animosity from a largely secular population of European Jews towards Muslims. There were next to no Muslims in Europe at the time.

The Israeli Nazi-esque tactics are recent, and not borne out of any historical malice towards Muslims as a group.

Interestingly, the warehouses in Auschwitz with all the stolen loot were called "Canada" - part of the New World, well away from Europe.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:16pm:
The Israeli Nazi-esque tactics are recent, and not borne out of any historical malice towards Muslims as a group.



You seem to have been taught the pc version of history. Ask yourself why Jews financed the Christian attacks against Muslim Spain (to their own detriment ultimately). Why did Jews finance the British invasion of the Ottoman Empire in WWI?
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Reply #10 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:36pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:16pm:
The Israeli Nazi-esque tactics are recent, and not borne out of any historical malice towards Muslims as a group.



You seem to have been taught the pc version of history. Ask yourself why Jews financed the Christian attacks against Muslim Spain (to their own detriment ultimately). Why did Jews finance the British invasion of the Ottoman Empire in WWI?


Financiers who just happened to be Jews bought war bonds. They didn't pick which countries Britain or "Christians" invaded. They didn't fund this or that battle.

The reason "Jews" financed pre-modern European wars is due to the ban on ursury for Christians. The Jews were the ones (apart from the Medicis) who had their hands on the geld.

Global finance isn't "Jewish" or "Christian", it's systemic. Money moves between surplus profit and capital. It flows between shares, government bonds and banks, depending on where the profit lies.

The Rothschilds would have bought Turkish war bonds if there was a buck in it.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:16pm:
Maybe, but it was a term the SS used as well.

I have never read that before, but if they did likely they learnt it from the Jews.

From Wikipedia:

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Muselmann was a derogatory term used among captives of World War II Nazi concentration camps to refer to those suffering from a combination of starvation (known also as "hunger disease") and exhaustion and who were resigned to their impending death. The Muselmann prisoners exhibited severe emaciation and physical weakness, an apathetic listlessness regarding their own fate, and unresponsiveness to their surroundings.

The following quotation appears as a footnote in If This Is a Man, Primo Levi's autobiographical account of his time in Auschwitz, and it serves as the introduction to the word in that book. "Selection", in the context of the quotation, means selection for the gas chambers, i.e., death. In If This Is a Man Levi uses two variations of the spelling; Muselmann and Musselman, as well as the plural, Muselmänner.

"This word ‘Muselmann’, I do not know why, was used by the old ones of the camp to describe the weak, the inept, those doomed to selection."
—Primo Levi, If This Is a Man, chapter: "The Drowned and the Saved".

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Reply #12 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 4:11pm:
[quote author=Karnal link=1374021164/8#8 date=1374038164]

"This word ‘Muselmann’, I do not know why, was used by the old ones of the camp to describe the weak, the inept, those doomed to selection."


There you have it. Never ever.
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The Elders of Zion were in the concentration camp? Schade.
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Reply #14 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 8:31pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 10:32am:
The Muselman will never ever better himself. This is because he bases his life on a despicable and violent book.

Yes, your Muselman Mohammedan is illiterate, but people tell him what the book says and he follows it, word for word. Your Muselman Mohammedan, you see, is performative.

Muselman Mohammedan politics are essentially about blowing things up - car bombings, suicide bombings, or hurling rockets at the country next door. The Muselman Mohammedan gets this from his book, which people interpret for him, word for word.

When he's not bombing, your Muselman Mohammedan goes about slashing things. He's good with a blade, you see. He mainly stabs his wives, but he'll go for you too if you're not looking. Your Muselman Mohammedan loves blood - it's what his religion is all about.

It's in his culture, which is backward and corrupt - always, absolutely. Justice, liberty, a rule of law - these are an anathema to your Muselman Mohammedan, who is essentially a wild animal. Your Muselman Mohammedan can never live peaceably with others - never ever.  Having Muselman Mohammedan in the city is like allowing a whole pack of rabid dogs to roam free.

Your Muselman Mohammedan has always been thus - always. Absolutely. Just look at history - nothing but war and chaos going back to the 8th century. Your Muselman Mohammedan started it, and he's been the enemy of the West ever since. Communists, Japs, Krauts, Austro-Hungarians, Prussians, the French, etc, etc, etc - these are chickenfeed compared to your Muselman Mohammedan.

Wherever there's a Muselman Mohammedan, there's trouble. Strangely, wherever there isn't a Muselman there's trouble too. Your Muselman Mohammedan has this cunning ability, you see, to create fear, violence and carnage everywhere. You only have to look at the news.

This is why your Muselman Mohammedan will always be the enemy of the West - always. Absolutely. He will never better himself - never. Ever. Never ever. Ever.

Yes, your Muselman Mohammedan and his appeasers will try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.

The only solution to this age-old problem is to carpet-bomb the lot of them. Oh yes, they'll try to get out of this, but it's good for them. It will bring them demokracy, you see.

Due to his illiteracy, backwardness and corruption, your Muselman will never understand this, but at least we can say we've tried. It's our duty as a civilized race.


Your the stupid and illiterate one.

What is the meaning of Muselman?

Muselman Mohammedan-

A condemned prisoner of a Nazi death camp in World War II. Deemed unfit to work, women, young children, and old men were sent to be executed and burned. You didn't want to be a Muselman Mohammedan.



There you are, PB.
An honest Muselman Mohammedan has no fvckn idea that you were on his side with that tightly packed sh!t you posted in the OP.

With friends like you, the Muselman Mohammedan are back where they have always been - tightly rammed sh!t creek.

With homosexualists like you cheering them on, no wonder they are buggered, to coin a phrase.

ta.

Oh - and, er, Allahu At The Bar. Cheers.

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