What has Israel been doing in the region

Does anybody know?

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freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:


They were not trivial according to Watt, Armstrong and Mubarakpuri (Sealed Nectar) among others - they too were committing acts of war against Muhammad - including an assassination attempt.

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:


Such as?

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:


Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe. The fact that there were only 700 in an entire tribe should be an indication of their unity of mind. It was not a disparate collection of far-flung communities. They chose to stick with the tribe, and therefore the treachery of the tribe.

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:


Seriously, you have never provided any evidence of this despite repeated requests. Why do you keep spewing this baseless claim and make yourself look silly?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:


If the jews love America so much, why don't they piss off and build there Zionist state somewhere in America.

Plenty of land there.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:


Your map is not accurate, it is propaganda.

Egypt had control of Gaza from around 1948 to the 1967 six day war when they lost it to Israel, your propaganda says it was palestinian land when Egypt had control of it.
Israel gave Gaza back.

Jordan had control of The West Bank in the same time period, they lost it to Israel in the 1967 six day war, your propaganda shows it as Palestinian land when Jordan had control of it.

Today Israel has built a wall, try google for Israeli wall then click on images.
Have a look at  the pictures of the Palestinian side of the wall and see if it matches the propaganda in your map.

I think the creation of Israel and Pakistan was a mistake,i think Israel has just as much right to exist as Pakistan, both have not signed the NPT and have nuclear weapons,more Pakistani's have died from Islamic terror in the last decade in Pakistan than troops from the coalition of the willing in Iraq and Afghanstan yet nobody says anything about muslims killing muslims.

That one jew lurking around is obviously not the "war operation" (plural) that is being referred to. That was just the incident that prompted the jews to stop.

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So Islam supports collective punishment?

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The decision that was made was to not attack Muslims and in fact to support them. Why is there anny need to disassociate themselves from that?

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Only if your religion requires you to deliberately delude yourself. And it is simply not true that there were only 700. There were supposedly 600 to 900 able bodied adult men who were executed. How many tribes do you know of that consist only of adult men?

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That's what concubine means Gandalf. Muhammed himself took one of the wives as his concubine after chopping her husband's head off. Are you suggesting some kind of fairy tale where they fell in love and got married? I do not have to "prove" anything. Islamic texts openly admit it.

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Muhammed was paranoid about an assassination attempt. That does not mean there actually was one. He merely invented it as yet another excuse to persecute Jews and reneg on his treaty with them.

Does the sealed nectar present new evidence that was not previously available?

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Yes, Jews must be beaten to death in order to prevent them from comitting 'potential' crimes.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qaynuqa

Muhammad then approached the Banu Qaynuqa, gathering them in the market place and addressing them as follows,

“O Jews, beware lest God bring on you the like of the retribution which he brought on Quraysh. Accept Islam, for you know that I am a prophet sent by God. You will find this in your scriptures and in God's covenant with you.[15]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews , when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Paragraph 37 has it that 'To the Jews their own expenses and to the Muslims theirs. They shall help one another in the event of any attack on the people covered by this document. There shall be sincere friendship, exchange of good counsel, fair conduct and no treachery between them.'.[22] The three local Jewish tribes were the Banu Nadir, the Banu Qurayza, and the Banu Qaynuqa. While Mohammad clearly had no prejudice against them, and appears to have regarded his own message as substantially the same as that received by Jews on Sinai,[23] tribal politics, and Mohammad's deep frustration at Jewish refusals to accept his prophethood,[24] quickly led to a break with all three. Unfortunate linguistic misunderstandings may also have given the impression, evidenced in the Quran, that the Jewish community was publicly humiliating Mohammad.[25] The Banu Qaynuqa were expelled from Medina in 624, Fred Donner argues that Muhammad turned against the Qaynuqa because as artisans and traders, the latter were in close contact with Meccan merchants.[26] Weinsinck views the episodes cited by the Muslim historians used to justify their expulsion; such as a Jewish goldsmith humiliating a Muslim woman, as having no more than anecdotal value. He writes that the Jews had assumed a contentious attitude towards Muhammad, and as a group possessing substantial independent power, they posed a great danger. Wensinck thus concludes that Muhammad, strengthened by the victory at Badr, soon resolved to eliminate the Jewish opposition to himself.[27] Norman Stillman also believes that Muhammad decided to move against the Jews of Medina after being strengthened in the wake of the Battle of Badr.[28] In 625, the Banu Nadir was evicted from Medina and subsequently all of their men were killed and women and children placed into bondage following the events of the Battle of the Trench. All though the Banu Qurayza never took up arms against Mohammad or the Muslims their city was sacked in 627 and according to several Hadiths after they had surrendered all of the men were killed and the children and women forced into slavery

The hadith (recordings of deeds and sayings attributed to Muhammad) use both the terms Banu Israil and Yahud in relation to Jews, the latter term becoming ever more frequent and appearing mostly in negative context. According to Norman Stillman:

The Quran associates Jews above all with rejection of God's prophets including Jesus and Muhammad, thus explaining their resistance to him personally. (Cf. Surah 2:87–91; 5:59, 61, 70, and 82.) It states that they are, together with outright idolators, the worst and most inveterate enemies of Islam, and thus will not only suffer eternally in Hell but in this world will be the most degraded of the Peoples of the Book, below even Christians, everywhere. (Cf. Surah 5:82; 3:54–56.) It also asserts that Jews believe that they are the sole children of God (Surah 5:18), and that only they will achieve salvation (Surah 2:111). According to the Quran, Jews blasphemously claim that Ezra is the son of God, as Christians claim Jesus is, (Surah 9:30) and that God's hand is fettered (Surah 5:64 – i.e., that they can freely defy God). Some of those who are Jews,[11] "pervert words from their meanings", (Surah 4:44), and because they have committed wrongdoing, God has "forbidden some good things that were previously permitted them", thus explaining Jewish commandments regarding food, Sabbath restrictions on work, and other rulings as a punishment from God (Surah 4:160). They listen for the sake of mendacity (Surah 5:41), twisting the truth, and practice forbidden usury, and therefore they will receive "a painful doom" (Surah 4:161).[11] The Quran gives credence to the Christian claim of Jews scheming against Jesus, "...but God also schemed, and God is the best of schemers"(Surah 3:54). In the Muslim view, the crucifixion of Jesus was an illusion, and thus the supposed Jewish plots against him ended in complete failure.[47] In numerous verses (Surah 3:63, 71; 4:46, 160–161; 5:41–44, 63–64, 82; 6:92)[48] the Quran accuses Jews of deliberately obscuring and perverting scripture.[43]

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It is collective punishment, whether you like it or not. It requires you to believe in absurd fantasies about 800 adult men not being able to think and act for themselves. I agree you should not go aver it again, because it is pure delusion.

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There are plenty of references to taken women captured in battle. For some reason Muslim men didn't need instructions on how to rape.

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In Islam, everything is permitted unless it is specifically forbidden. There is no punishment for spousal rape or the rape of concubines. Islam rejects the idea that these women must consent.

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That makes no sense at all. And there is nothing in the old testament about hunting down and slaughtering every last Jew.