That would make sense, if they weren't Jews. But all it really shows is the how absurdly far Muslims will stretch things. We have the example above of you pretending that Muhammed was appealing to common ground with the Jews by telling the Jews that they also thought he was their prophet. Now we also have you, a Muslim, claiming to know that a group of Jews were not "bona fide" Jews, therefor hating and oppressing them is not anti-semitism. I recall previous examples of Muslims using Islamic doctrine to dictate what the real Christianity and Judaism is and tell Christians and Jews that they are wrong about their own religion.

I am honestly not sure what to make of this, except that it takes willful self delusion to new heights. I am not even certain what you are trying to say or what point you are trying to make. But I am disturbed nonetheless.

Are you trying to say that by punishing these Jews for being pretenders Muhammed was actually standing up for real Jews and real Judaism? Muhammed's (and Islam's) authority extends so far that it also gets to say what Christianity and Judaism is?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:



Not true gandalf.





Of course ISLAM insists [as it always has] that it, ISLAM, is the real Judaism.

Since its own inception [by Mohammed] ISLAM has always tried to subsume what Judaism and Christianity are.


Dictionary;
subsume = = include or absorb in something else.



ISLAM has tried to hijack and replace, Judaism and Christianity.

e.g.
ISLAM lays claim to Jesus, and to all of the major personages of the Old Testament.

Moslems claim that Jesus was a moslem.

That Adam was a moslem.

That Noah was a moslem.

That Abraham was a moslem.

That Moses was a moslem.

That King David was a moslem.

That King Solomon was a moslem.

And, that the Jewish people, are infidels!


Throughout its own history, ISLAM has been about, the process of 'reinventing' Judaism and Christianity.

And now that ISLAM thinks that it has established its own bona fides in the world, as a major faith,
now ISLAM/moslems have the audacity to claim, that ISLAM is [at the same time], both a continuation of, and, a repudiation of, Judaism and Christianity.



And yes, the moslem interfaith 'outreach' lie and deceit [to Jews and Christians] goes;



But it is only within their own 'camp', when moslems speak candidly about their TRUE views of Judaism and Christianity.






e.g.

A GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE
"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,



THE KICKER...
"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely. ....."

Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript  - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/the-undercover-mosqu...






We non-moslems who are members of 'religious' communities [particularly Christians and Jews] need to realise, that intentional, blatant, and malicious deceit, is being directed against us, from the moslem community.
Blatant lies, describing a 'tolerant', 'peaceful' ISLAM, is declared by moslems, as part of the moslem 'inter-faith dialogue' and 'outreach', with people of other faiths. But this type of moslem communication is blatant lies.

all muslims are innately deceitful.

Just ask Yadda.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:


So what was your point then Gandalf? How does it have any bearing on whether Muhammed was an anti semite?

So the fact that Muhammed and everyone else called them Jews is irrelevant? Muhammed escapes the charge of anti semitism on a technicality?

How is this any less ludicrous than when Muslims insist that the charge is incorrect because Semite is a broad ethnic grouping that applies to other Arabs also?

So your little tangent about "Jews aint Jews" is irrelevant?

we've been through that one before FD.

Its a prophecy - not anti-semitic propaganda.