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Reply #136 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

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"anti-Muhammedan muslim" eh - yes I'm sure thats a totally accurate reflection on what Brian said.

I asked you directly for your opinion quoting exactly what Brian said. Surprise surprise, your response was another semantic deflection.

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You keep claiming you aren't but it appears that you believe anybody who questions your persecution of Muslims

I believe I made it quite clear what prompted me to ask the question, and it was not because Brian questioned me.

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Reply #137 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

I asked you directly for your opinion quoting exactly what Brian said. Surprise surprise, your response was another semantic deflection.

Quoting exactly what Brian said? Really?

So you'll have no problem linking me the post where he used the term "anti-Muhammaden muslim" right?

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Reply #138 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:46am

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

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"anti-Muhammedan muslim" eh - yes I'm sure thats a totally accurate reflection on what Brian said.

I asked you directly for your opinion quoting exactly what Brian said. Surprise surprise, your response was another semantic deflection.

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You keep claiming you aren't but it appears that you believe anybody who questions your persecution of Muslims

I believe I made it quite clear what prompted me to ask the question, and it was not because Brian questioned me.

How is his religion relevant to him questioning you?

I've watched you try and intimidate anybody who dares to question your motivations, your tactics and your comments. You've mounted personal attack threads (always a sure sign that the person doing so is feeling pressed and insecure). I've watched you question peoples' beliefs.

You're a bigot, why not just admit it? Self-denial will never heal you. You have to admit that you've got a problem for it to be solved! Cheesy

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Reply #139 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 12:32pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

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"anti-Muhammedan muslim" eh - yes I'm sure thats a totally accurate reflection on what Brian said.

I asked you directly for your opinion quoting exactly what Brian said. Surprise surprise, your response was another semantic deflection.

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You keep claiming you aren't but it appears that you believe anybody who questions your persecution of Muslims

I believe I made it quite clear what prompted me to ask the question, and it was not because Brian questioned me.

How is his religion relevant to him questioning you?

I've watched you try and intimidate anybody who dares to question your motivations, your tactics and your comments. You've mounted personal attack threads (always a sure sign that the person doing so is feeling pressed and insecure). I've watched you question peoples' beliefs.

You're a bigot, why not just admit it? Self-denial will never heal you. You have to admit that you've got a problem for it to be solved! Cheesy

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Reply #140 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

I asked you directly for your opinion quoting exactly what Brian said. Surprise surprise, your response was another semantic deflection.

Quoting exactly what Brian said? Really?

So you'll have no problem linking me the post where he used the term "anti-Muhammaden muslim" right?

It's really quite simple Gandalf.

Step 1) Read what I actually posted.

Step 2) Respond to what I actually posted.

Step 3) Refrain from making poo up.

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How is his religion relevant to him questioning you?

It seems to be relevant to the respnses to my questions, as Muslims seem to use the same odd deflection techniques. It is so common I have started a collection of them.

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I've watched you try and intimidate anybody who dares to question your motivations, your tactics and your comments.

I don't see much point in humouring anyone who diverts the topic to questioning my motives for asking simple questions. If you find this intimidating that is all on you, not me.

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You've mounted personal attack threads

You mean where I ask people clearly and simply what they mean?

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You're a bigot, why not just admit it?

Ooh, I feel so intimidated now. Who can I whinge to?

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Reply #141 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Are you sure you aren't a Muslim?

That would only matter if you were a bigot. You keep claiming you aren't but it appears that you believe anybody who questions your persecution of Muslims, must be a Muslim! Such bigotry!

If you are not a Muslim, here's a question: what aspects of Islam would you be happy to live under?

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Reply #142 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 10:33pm

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm:

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Ah, now you're asking a different question, FD from the one you originally did.

I have asked it before. I got no response the first time. Now I have a response, but still nothing like an answer.

No, it is an answer, FD. You simply don't like it. Tough. Roll Eyes

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Are you sure you aren't a Muslim?

Why would it matter if I was? Roll Eyes

When Charlie Chaplin made the movie "The Great Dictator" which was a damning indictment of Hitler and his persecution of the Jews, the Nazis attempted to claim he was a Jew. He never said either yay, or nay.

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Are we going to get into an argument over whether I have already asked the question, spend a few pages resolving it in the affirmative, only for you to slink off and avoid the actual question?

I have provided the only answer you're going to get, FD. You may not like it but in life, you don't always get what you want.

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I would be prepared to suggest that a large majority of Muslims don't wish to emulate Mohammed in the killing of PoWs, FD. Can you prove otherwise?

I have never met a Muslim who said that it was wrong for Muhammed to do it or who did not attempt to justify it.

I wonder how many Muslims you actually have met, FD? I really do. I also wonder if you'd be willing to display the sorts of attitudes that you do here, to them, in person. Roll Eyes

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I have met Muslims (eg Abu) who said that they would prefer to let someone else do all the "chopping people's heads off" side of Islam, but not that it should not happen.

And one person's opinion is a representative sample of what all Muslims think, FD? Roll Eyes

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Reply #143 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm:

[quote]Ah, now you're asking a different question, FD from the one you originally did.

I have asked it before. I got no response the first time. Now I have a response, but still nothing like an answer.

No, it is an answer, FD. You simply don't like it. Tough. Roll Eyes

So first you complain that I changed the question, now you insist you had already answered it?

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Reply #144 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 11:14pm

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm:

[quote]Ah, now you're asking a different question, FD from the one you originally did.

I have asked it before. I got no response the first time. Now I have a response, but still nothing like an answer.

No, it is an answer, FD. You simply don't like it. Tough. Roll Eyes

So first you complain that I changed the question, now you insist you had already answered it?

No, FD, I answered your first question. I won't be bothering with the second.

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Reply #145 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

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"anti-Muhammedan muslim" eh - yes I'm sure thats a totally accurate reflection on what Brian said.

I asked you directly for your opinion quoting exactly what Brian said. Surprise surprise, your response was another semantic deflection.

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You keep claiming you aren't but it appears that you believe anybody who questions your persecution of Muslims

I believe I made it quite clear what prompted me to ask the question, and it was not because Brian questioned me.

How is his religion relevant to him questioning you?

Answer the question FD!!!!!!!!!

As Grendel likes to say, "Wunaway! Wunaway!" Cheesy

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Reply #146 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 12:27pm

Like I already explained, I asked because he adopted such eerily similar deflectiont actics to the Muslims here.

So basically we have Brian refusing to explain his inability to back up his own claim about Muslims not supporting Muhammed's standards, and Gandalf refusing to offer an opinion on what Brian posted.

Are Muslims now afraid to say they support Muhammed's example?

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Reply #147 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

No wonder millions of muslims think the war on terror is a war on islam.

Audio released of British soldiers allegedly murdering prisoner

London: A British judge has released a recording of a conversation between Royal Marines as they allegedly executed a captured Taliban prisoner.

The audio recording, captured by one Marine's helmet-mounted camera, which contains strong language, was released as the judge at their murder court martial summed up the evidence in the first case of its kind for British troops in the Afghan campaign.

Three Royal Marines deny murdering an unknown captive during a patrol in Helmand province in September 2011.

A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.
A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.

Judge Jeff Blackett, judge advocate general, has ruled that the video capturing the incident is too inflammatory to be made public, because of its propaganda value to terrorists. He ruled that the sound track could be published however.

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The film shown in open court shows the marines coming across the badly wounded man on a patrol after he had been hit by a burst of cannon fire from an Apache helicopter gunship.

It shows Marine A shooting him at point blank range in the chest and telling him to “shuffle off this mortal coil you c---”.

A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.
A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.

He then tells the rest of the patrol he has broken the Geneva convention.

All three Marines have been granted anonymity because of the risk they will become terrorist targets.

Marine A has told the court martial in Bulford, Wiltshire, that he believed the man was already dead when he fired the shot.

A transcript of the recording follows:

"Get his a--- over there"

[Cough]

"F------ c---, b------."

"F------ dirty."

“That's it lads”

[Inaudible]

"Don't give a f--- about you son. Stop f------ whingeing. F------ p----."

"Over by that corn.

“Over here."

[Shouting and movement]

“That will do, that will do, that will do.”

“Out here?”

"Do you want him back in?”

“I want him back in here so I can see what I'm f------ doing.”

[Movement]

"Err, anybody want to do first aid on this idiot? No?

"No"

"Could put one in his head if you want? Take your pick.”

[Laughter]

"Not in his head because that will be f------ obvious.”

“Shoot him round here."

"In one round?”

"In one round."

“I'm going to switch this f----- off. Everyone [inaudible] hates it mate.”

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Reply #148 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

wally1 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

No wonder millions of muslims think the war on terror is a war on islam.

Audio released of British soldiers allegedly murdering prisoner

London: A British judge has released a recording of a conversation between Royal Marines as they allegedly executed a captured Taliban prisoner.

The audio recording, captured by one Marine's helmet-mounted camera, which contains strong language, was released as the judge at their murder court martial summed up the evidence in the first case of its kind for British troops in the Afghan campaign.

Three Royal Marines deny murdering an unknown captive during a patrol in Helmand province in September 2011.

A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.
A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.

Judge Jeff Blackett, judge advocate general, has ruled that the video capturing the incident is too inflammatory to be made public, because of its propaganda value to terrorists. He ruled that the sound track could be published however.

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The film shown in open court shows the marines coming across the badly wounded man on a patrol after he had been hit by a burst of cannon fire from an Apache helicopter gunship.

It shows Marine A shooting him at point blank range in the chest and telling him to “shuffle off this mortal coil you c---”.

A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.
A helmet-cam image from British soldiers accused of killing a wounded prisoner in Afghanistan.

He then tells the rest of the patrol he has broken the Geneva convention.

All three Marines have been granted anonymity because of the risk they will become terrorist targets.

Marine A has told the court martial in Bulford, Wiltshire, that he believed the man was already dead when he fired the shot.

A transcript of the recording follows:

"Get his a--- over there"

[Cough]

"F------ c---, b------."

"F------ dirty."

“That's it lads”

[Inaudible]

"Don't give a f--- about you son. Stop f------ whingeing. F------ p----."

"Over by that corn.

“Over here."

[Shouting and movement]

“That will do, that will do, that will do.”

“Out here?”

"Do you want him back in?”

“I want him back in here so I can see what I'm f------ doing.”

[Movement]

"Err, anybody want to do first aid on this idiot? No?

"No"

"Could put one in his head if you want? Take your pick.”

[Laughter]

"Not in his head because that will be f------ obvious.”

“Shoot him round here."

"In one round?”

"In one round."

“I'm going to switch this f----- off. Everyone [inaudible] hates it mate.”

Hypocrite!

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Re: On Islamic historical sourcing
Reply #149 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Are you sure you aren't a Muslim?

Why would it matter if I was? Roll Eyes

When Charlie Chaplin made the movie "The Great Dictator" which was a damning indictment of Hitler and his persecution of the Jews, the Nazis attempted to claim he was a Jew. He never said either yay, or nay.

Ah, but you are no Charlie Chaplin. I think you are a Muslim who lurks and pretends and evades. You have had plenty of time to explain why Islam is so important to you despite the daily news of blood-curdling atrocities committed in its name but you have evaded the point at every turn.

Either you know nothing about Islam and simply defend Muslims regardless of what they believe in.

One could have a beer with Gandy, metaphorically speaking, but not with you or Hot Tits. You both are just too weird and dishonest.

Or you are a Muslim and so defend Islam without letting on to your allegiances.

In either case, you are not occupying a credible or respectable position.

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