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Re: On Islamic historical sourcing
Reply #105 - Oct 26^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 6:40pm:

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Yes? As long as you keep thinking all Muslims want to "bring back Muhammed's standards," FD, I think you have a problem with your bigoted viewpoint.

Would you mind pointing out one of these "anti-Muhammedan" Muslims? While your at it, find us and anti-semitic Jew and a Christian who rejects Jesus' example.

Well, there have been anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi Jews found in Israel, FD.

Then, there are Christians who seem to believe that The Old Testament is of greater importance than The New, which many Christians here assure us is the basis of Christianity, rather than The Old.

So, it looks to me like there are enough people who despite professing they follow their religion aren't.

As for anti-Mohammedan, Muslims once more you exaggerate a point. There are many Muslims who look to Mohammed as an example, that does not mean they necessarily wish to slavishly follow his ways. But of course, you know that, FD but you'd prefer to condemn all Muslims through guilt by association with the extremists. That you ignore similar beliefs in other religions, preferring to concentrate solely upon Muslims merely proves the point once more, that you are a bigot and an increasingly dishonest one as well. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #106 - Oct 26^th, 2013 at 9:52pm I notice you found an example of Jews and Christians. Well done. But why not a Muslim example?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #107 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 2:49pm freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 9:52pm: I notice you found an example of Jews and Christians. Well done. But why not a Muslim example? I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were in error then, shall I, FD?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #108 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 2:54pm What was the error?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #109 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 3:03pm freediver wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 2:54pm: What was the error? Your implied claim that "anti-semitic Jew and a Christian who rejects Jesus' example," did not exist, FD. Looks like you're being obstinate and spineless as per usual.
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Re: On Islamic historical sourcing
Reply #110 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 3:11pm

Now there's a surprise. Brian is responding to something I did not actually say, and accusing me of being spineless for not accepting his latest fantasy version.

The Muslims must love having you on their side, reassuring everyone that they reject Muhammed's example and have nothing to hide. After all, with so many anti-semitic Jews getting around it is only reasonable to expect people to assume that Muslims dislike what Muhammed did, right?

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Reply #111 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 7:10pm

freediver wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Now there's a surprise. Brian is responding to something I did not actually say, and accusing me of being spineless for not accepting his latest fantasy version.

Now that is a surprised, FD is claiming that wasn't what he meant when he typed his request for examples of, "anti-semitic Jew[s] and a Christian[s] who rejects Jesus". Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #112 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 7:38pm I get a chuckle every time you use the anti-semitic Jew argument to prove that Muslims do not follow Muhammed's lead.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #113 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 8:18pm freediver wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 7:38pm: I get a chuckle every time you use the anti-semitic Jew argument to prove that Muslims do not follow Muhammed's lead. I'm not. Gee, your thatching skills are looking better every day, FD.
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Re: On Islamic historical sourcing
Reply #115 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 9:04pm

madcowmess wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

today I read that the Iranians executed 16 prisoners of war in revenge for a bunch of their soldiers dead in an attack

Actually, they executed sixteen prisoners. I haven't seen anything as to their legal status and I'm unaware of Iran being formally involved in any wars at the moment. I have seen claims they were either captured Terrorists, "freedom fighters" (depending on who was making the claim), ordinary criminals or just unsuspecting villagers caught up by an Iranian security sweep against the Baloch Liberation Front (BLF) whom are a Terrorist organisation apparently backed by the USA. Perhaps you need to approach these sorts of things with a slightly more open mind?

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Re: On Islamic historical sourcing
Reply #116 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

There are many Muslims who look to Mohammed as an example, that does not mean they necessarily wish to slavishly follow his ways.

I think you talk utter bollocks, as always. Can you give us a concrete example where devout Muslims today say that that Mohammed's example is not to be 'slavishly' (ie faithfully) followed, whether they wish it or not?

In other words, plainly, do you have any example where Muslims today say that Mohammed's example was not perfect but flawed or anarchronistc in any way?

No you don't.
You are simply whistling dixie through your spineless, apologetic, ignorant poseur arse.

And I say it as point of fact - you have zero evidence to back up your spineless stupidity - rather than as mere personal appraisal.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: On Islamic historical sourcing Reply #117 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:21pm Soren, Muhammad's example is known as 'sunna' - which is recommended to be followed, but not compulsory. Not to be confused with actual laws handed down by Muhammad, which are part of Islamic law.
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Reply #118 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 7:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Soren, Muhammad's example is known as 'sunna' - which is recommended to be followed, but not compulsory.

Not to be confused with actual laws handed down by Muhammad, which are part of Islamic law.

Nice.

Can you please point me to an example where a Muslim has actually said, 'Hey, fellas, we shouldn't follow Muhammed's example in this kind of situation. It is outdated and wrong for our time and society.'

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Re: On Islamic historical sourcing
Reply #119 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Soren wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Can you please point me to an example where a Muslim has actually said, 'Hey, fellas, we shouldn't follow Muhammed's example in this kind of situation. It is outdated and wrong for our time and society.'

no, because as I just said, his example is recommended Tongue

But it is not compulsory, that is the point. Hence Brian was not "talking utter bollocks" when he stated "There are many Muslims who look to Mohammed as an example, that does not mean they necessarily wish to slavishly follow his ways."

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