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Re: Executing prisoners of war
Reply #270 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:44pm:
So you are deciding to not love Muslims despite the fact your faith explicitly tells you to love your enemies?

Or do you not consider Muslims your enemies?




Light, and, Darkness, Stratos.

And moslems are in the darkness.



And Y is in the Light.
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Reply #271 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:30pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:44pm:
So you are deciding to not love Muslims despite the fact your faith explicitly tells you to love your enemies?

Or do you not consider Muslims your enemies?




Light, and, Darkness, Stratos.

And moslems are in the darkness.



And Y is in the Light.




No.

I am surrounded by the spiritual darkness too.

While i am in the world, i am surrounded by the darkness.




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Reply #272 - Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 1:05pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
Gandalf, do you think it makes sense to determine whether my first example of Muhammed slaughtering POWs is in fact an example of Muhammed slaughtering POWs before demanding I provide later, more obscure examples?


I'll be accommodating here FD - just find me a single example of whatever you consider to be executing POWs by Muhammad's followers, in which they invoked the Qurayza example as justification.


By "the Qurayza example," do you mean Muhammed slaughtering POWs?
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Reply #273 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 6:26am
 
You know what I mean, now just answer the question please.
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Reply #274 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:49pm
 
You appear to mean that you want me to give and example of Muslims slaughtering POWs and using Muhammed "not slaughtering" POWs as justification.

Can't you just save me the trouble and tell me the punchline now?
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Reply #275 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:55am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:49pm:
You appear to mean that you want me to give and example of Muslims slaughtering POWs and using Muhammed "not slaughtering" POWs as justification.


Yes this is very complicated FD. I'll try and dumb it down even further for you.

Lets start with finding an example of Muhammad's followers slaughtering POWs. Is that clear enough for you?

Then we can look into what example (if any) they were following.
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Reply #276 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:10pm
 
How about we start with examples of Muhammed himself slaughtering POWs?

How about that time he slaughtered 800 Jewish POWs in one day. Does that count? Or did they deserve it for being treacherous Jews?
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Reply #277 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:10pm:
How about we start with examples of Muhammed himself slaughtering POWs?

How about that time he slaughtered 800 Jewish POWs in one day. Does that count? Or did they deserve it for being treacherous Jews?



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"How about that time he slaughtered 800 Jewish POWs in one day."



2/
"Or did they deserve it for being treacherous Jews?"



#1 is the recorded fact [ISLAMIC sources, confirming that Mohammed was a ruthless, murderous, 7th century warlord].

#2 is the moslem 'deflection' [of #1] which sanctifies and makes lawful, the atrocity in #1.

i.e.
Yes, Mohammed and his companions slaughtered executed all those prisoners, all of the males of a community of Jews,
BUT THOSE JEWS DESERVED TO BE EXECUTED.



As happens so often, when moslems commit violent atrocities [SUCH AS Banu Qurayza];

#1 Moslems commit a violent atrocity.

# Moslems then record their own account of the incident, including a fabricated, 'after the fact', justification for the atrocity.


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Reply #278 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:55am:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:49pm:
You appear to mean that you want me to give and example of Muslims slaughtering POWs and using Muhammed "not slaughtering" POWs as justification.


Yes this is very complicated FD. I'll try and dumb it down even further for you.

Lets start with finding an example of Muhammad's followers slaughtering POWs. Is that clear enough for you?

Then we can look into what example (if any) they were following.


http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

Qur'an Surah 33:26 Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things.

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Abu Dawud 38:4390 Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

Let alone just casual outright murder:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm
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Reply #279 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:53am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:10pm:
How about we start with examples of Muhammed himself slaughtering POWs?


Because you made the specific claim about Muhammad's *FOLLOWERS* slaughtering POWs and "loving" to invoke the Qurayza example.

But if you rather not demonstrate that you are not speaking through your arse, then thats fine.
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Reply #280 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:53am:
..... Muhammad's *FOLLOWERS* slaughtering POWs and "loving" to invoke the Qurayza example.


The Qurayza example is invoked because it is an excellent example of the behavior of morally reprobate men murdering, raping and stealing from Yahweh's people. They fight against Yahweh's people in Israel today. Muhammad's true followers continue to slaughter non-Muslims all around the world today because it's their job:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Of course as you were recently schooled, and so you now know, that verse outright lies regarding the Gospel binding any such thing on the followers of Jesus Christ.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390714478/186#186

The Gospel in fact instructs the exact opposite:
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

But the fact is that "fighting" and "slaying" is "binding" on all true (male) followers of Muhammad.

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

"Followers" of Muhammad is the most appropriate way to refer to Muhammad's followers since you reject the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God and REJECT His shed blood, all because you follow the 7th century false prophet Muhammad alone.

Besides which, that is how Muhammad himself referred to his followers:

(Book #18, Hadith #154) The Prophet then said, "O followers of Muhammad!
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Reply #281 - Mar 1st, 2014 at 10:28am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:53am:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:10pm:
How about we start with examples of Muhammed himself slaughtering POWs?


Because you made the specific claim about Muhammad's *FOLLOWERS* slaughtering POWs and "loving" to invoke the Qurayza example.

But if you rather not demonstrate that you are not speaking through your arse, then thats fine.


I don't recall using the term love. In any case, what exactly is the "Qurayza example"? Is it an example of Muhammed slaughtering 800 POWs? Or is it an example of Muslims trying to justify the unjustifiable? Obviously my argument falls apart if Muhammed slaughtering POWs is not actually Muhammed slaughtering POWs, but treacherous Jews receiving just punishment for their treachery.
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Reply #282 - Mar 1st, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
Examples of any muslims throughout history of slaughtering POWs and using what Muhammad did to the Qurayza as justification.

I'll really be struggling to dumb it down further than that.
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Reply #283 - Mar 1st, 2014 at 6:52pm
 
How about you dumb it down a little bit further and tell me what Muhammed did the the Qurayza? Would you describe it as slaughtering POWs? Then we can move on to what other Muslims used it to justify.
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Reply #284 - Mar 1st, 2014 at 7:36pm
 
So if I understand correctly, you are using your failure to support a claim you made as an opportunity to coax me into saying that Muhammad slaughtered POWs and was an all round evil guy. Or in other words, deflecting.

Just explain to me FD, if you can, how my interpretation of what happened to the Qurayza makes any difference to your inability to support your claim that muslims "like" to invoke the Qurayza example when they want to slaughter jews and POWs?

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Muhammed engaged in collective punishment. His successors thought this was an excellent example to follow, so they slaughtered Jews too.


If I misinterpret this - and this is not actually you saying Muhammad's successors like to invoke the Qurayza example to slaughter jews, then just say so. No need to waste everyone's time on endless deflection.
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