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The REFUGEE "push factor"
Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:33am

UNHCR 2012 refugee statistics: full data

More than 45.1 million people were displaced last year,
the largest number since 1994
according to the latest UNHCR report

21,300 individual asylum applications were lodged by unaccompanied or separated children in 2012,

the highest number on record

according to the UNHCR.

The total number of people forcibly displaced worldwide has reached 45.2m people, the highest level in almost 20 years, according to a report published today by the UN's High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR).

The annual 'Global Trends' report shows that as of the end of 2012, more than 45.2m people were forcibly displaced compared with 42.5m at the end of 2011. Mark Tran writes today:

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The world is in the throes of its most serious refugee crisis for almost 20 years, as conflicts in Syria, Democratic Republic of the Congo and Mali have forced tens of thousands of people to flee their homes, the UN's refugee agency has said.

In its global trends report (pdf), UNHCR said more than 45.1 million people were displaced last year, the largest number since 1994. This includes 15.4 million refugees, 937,000 asylum seekers, and 28.8 million internally displaced people (IDPs) – those forced to find refuge within the borders of their own countries.

Around 35.8m persons were of concern to the UNHCR by end 2012, the second highest number on record, according to their latest report. The highest figure since 1993, when recording keeping began, was in 2009 with 36.5m persons of concern.

Collectively referred to as "persons of concern", the term used by the UNHCR includes refugees, asylum-seekers,returnees, stateless persons and certain groups of internally displaced persons (IDPs).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/jun/19/refugees-unhcr-statistics-da...

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Reply #1 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:45am

Boats 'our problem' not the world's: Tony Abbott

July 18, 2013

Addressing reporters near Rockhampton on Thursday, Mr Abbott said that Mr Rudd was making excuses about the asylum seeker issue.

''I say to Mr Rudd: stop making excuses, stop trying to say this is the world's problem, it's not. It's our problem and we need to take the appropriate action in this country, by this country, for this country to stop the boats and we need to do it now,'' Mr Abbott said.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/boats-our...

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Reply #3 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:58am

hey comprehension seems a problem with the lefties.

HE DID SAY...'BOAT' PEOPLE

most world refugees do not travel by BOAT.

I grant you there are many and I find it stran ge that you admit that.. yet you dont seem to mind 45000...jumping ahead because they have enough money to get to Java and then even more money to pay people smugglers...

sorry if I find that strange!!!

rudd want the UN to make his life easier...again I find that strange..

when I havent seen him demand the UN stop whats happening in SYRIA.

I would think that was even more important than stopping the BOATS.

its pure genocide...RWANDA will pall in contrast

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Reply #4 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:59am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Well Tony is right, Boat people headed for Australia are Australia's problem and we have to do something about it. As for the displaced people of the world, well that's another issue.

NO according to the oracle its a world problem.

they all travel by BOAT!

they dont care what they say as long as they get their emperor off the hook..

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Reply #5 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

... you dont seem to mind 45000...jumping ahead because they have enough money to get to Java and then even more money to pay people smugglers...

I find that strange!!!

I don't

There are NO limits to what a man will go to - to protect his family
Even when the risk of drowning at sea is the best and safest option for survival

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Reply #6 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:18am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

... you dont seem to mind 45000...jumping ahead because they have enough money to get to Java and then even more money to pay people smugglers...

I find that strange!!!

[size=12]I don't

There are NO limits to what a man will go to - to protect his family
Even when the risk of drowning at sea is the best and safest option for survival[/size]

didnt expect anything different anything to protect the emperor..

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Reply #7 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:20am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Well Tony is right, Boat people headed for Australia are Australia's problem and we have to do something about it. As for the displaced people of the world, well that's another issue.

Then why is Abbott saying he will tow boats back to Indonesia.....Isn't it Australia's problem and not anyone elses....It is also a fact that not all boats come from Indonesia and the asylum seekers on board are not Indonesian.....How is this Indonesia's problem???

Huh

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Reply #8 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:25am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:20am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Well Tony is right, Boat people headed for Australia are Australia's problem and we have to do something about it. As for the displaced people of the world, well that's another issue.

Then why is Abbott saying he will tow boats back to Indonesia.....Isn't it Australia's problem and not anyone elses....It is also a fact that not all boats come from Indonesia and the asylum seekers on board are not Indonesian.....How is this Indonesia's problem???

Huh

You saying Indonesia has a problem accepting their own boats?

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Reply #9 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:35am

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

... you dont seem to mind 45000...jumping ahead because they have enough money to get to Java and then even more money to pay people smugglers...

I find that strange!!!

[size=12]I don't

There are NO limits to what a man will go to - to protect his family
Even when the risk of drowning at sea is the best and safest option for survival[/size]

didnt expect anything different anything to protect the emperor..

Cods this isn't about protecting Rudd, and I wish you would understand. Desperate people DO desperate things. Including life risking things. Which is why we must do more on the push factors as well as the whole world needing to do more. And in the interim it's why we must work with Indonesia and our region on a humane and reasonable solution.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #10 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:15am Quote: Moved: The REFUGEE "push factor" This Topic has been moved to Thinking Globally by freediver Apparently the BIGGEST issue in the forthcoming Federal Election is not a matter for discussion in an AUSTRALIAN "politics" section - and is best hidden - and left to DIE - HERE ?
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Reply #11 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:19am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:20am:

[quote author=bloody.ripper link=1374183180/2#2 date=1374184568].....How is this Indonesia's problem???

Wrong question.

Why doesn't Australia make it Indonesia's problem that they give these people 30-Day Visas when they arrive at Djakarta airport with the obvious intention of sailing for Australia?

The extraordinary truth is that despite years of the Indonesian authorities facilitating the people-smuggling industry ~ Australia has done absolutely zip to punish them in any way.

On the contrary, while our feeble-minded politicians are donating millions each year to Indonesia in Foreign Aid, the Indonesian authorities are meanwhile sponsoring a people-smuggling operation that costs us a further few billion dollars in managing this invasion.

One can only guess at the deep contempt the Indonesian leadership must feel for our politicians.

And then to add insult to injury, the Indonesians hold Schapelle Corby hostage WAY after they've released the imam who was the 'spiritual leader' of the Bali bombers.

I think it might be time for a bit of no-nonsense talk with the Indonesian authorities ~ and if anyone can do that it will be Abbott.

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Reply #12 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:21am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

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Moved: The REFUGEE "push factor"

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Apparently the BIGGEST issue in the forthcoming Federal Election is not a matter for discussion in an AUSTRALIAN "politics" section - and is best hidden - and left to DIE -

HERE

?

The biggest issue?

Not the tanking economy or the rising levels of debt?

But a bunch of third worlders and their leaky boats??

Not a priority in my house.

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Reply #13 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:29am

If a homeless person knocks on my door,
if i open my door,
and if the homeless person walks past me, and sits down in my lounge room, in my house, and declares;
"I live here too, now. Where is the kitchen, and where is my bedroom?",
what should i do ?

What rights do i have ?

Ask Sarah Hanson-Young.

Something to ponder.....

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian

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Reply #14 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:48am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

If a homeless person knocks on my door,
if i open my door,
and if the homeless person walks past me, and sits down in my lounge room, in my house, and declares;
"I live here too, now. Where is the kitchen, and where is my bedroom?",
what should i do ?

What rights do i have ?

Ask Sarah Hanson-Young.

Something to ponder.....

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian

What if the police [who you summoned], told you that they [and you] cannot lawfully evict your unwelcome 'guest', because to evict him would be an infingement of his human rights ?

p.s.
And why don't we demand that the government abolish banks, and demand that the wealth of the nation be distributed to all of the citizens - instead of allowing banks, and wealthy individuals, to hoard all of the national wealth ?

Surely, that would be fairer, than the present setup ?

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