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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #15 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:51am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

If a homeless person knocks on my door,
if i open my door,
and if the homeless person walks past me, and sits down in my lounge room, in my house, and declares;
"I live here too, now. Where is the kitchen, and where is my bedroom?",
what should i do ?

What rights do i have ?

Ask Sarah Hanson-Young.

Something to ponder.....

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian

What if the police [who you summoned], told you that they [and you] cannot lawfully evict your unwelcome 'guest', because to evict him would be an infingement of his human rights ?

p.s.
And why don't we demand that the government abolish banks, and demand that the wealth of the nation be distributed to all of the citizens - instead of allowing banks, and wealthy individuals, to hoard all of the national wealth ?

Surely, that would be fairer, than the present setup ?

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Do you like how lawlessness works ? Tongue

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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #16 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 10:57am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

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Apparently the BIGGEST issue in the forthcoming Federal Election is not a matter for discussion in an AUSTRALIAN "politics" section - and is best hidden - and left to DIE -

HERE

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The biggest issue?

Not the tanking economy or the rising levels of debt?

But a bunch of third worlders and their leaky boats??

Not a priority in my house.

The economy is among the most ROBUST in the WORLD

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Standard & Poor's issued the rating despite a recent fall in the country's terms of trade and a steep decline in the dollar in recent months.

The dollar brushed 90 US cents in recent weeks after spending the last couple of years hugging parity with the US dollar.

The stable rating has been maintained even after some deterioration in the country's public finances since the financial crisis.

The main reasons for Standard & Poor's vote of confidence include Australia's public policy stability, economic resilience, and flexible fiscal and monetary policy.

A credit analyst from Standard & Poor's, Craig Michaels, said Australia had a “strong ability” to absorb large economic and financial shocks, “as was demonstrated during the global recession in 2009.”

http://www.smh.com.au/business/sp-affirms-australias-aaa-credit-rating-20130718-...

The level of STIMULUS debt is among the LOWEST in the WORLD

( ... the embattled Abbott LibNats may try and MAKE it a "big issue" - but in REALITY, it ISN'T - aside from a lob well done)

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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #17 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 11:03am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

... you dont seem to mind 45000...jumping ahead because they have enough money to get to Java and then even more money to pay people smugglers...

I find that strange!!!

I don't

There are NO limits to what a man will go to - to protect his family
Even when the risk of drowning at sea is the best and safest option for survival

How could that be true? How could it be safer to leave dry land in Indonesia and risk the journey to Christmas Island - hoping and praying a naval vessel picks them up along the way?

And if not, a mayday signal somewhere close to Christmas Island usually does it.

After over one thousand deaths that we know of, how can anyone say that this is a safer option than biding time in Indonesia, or any of the other refugee centres and camps around the world?

We place limits on risk-taking behaviour all the time - that's what civil society does. If there are no limits to what someone will do to protect their family, we need to impose them.

That is the humane option.

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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #18 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 12:43pm

We'll just ignore that debt has increased 334% under the ALP terms, the AUD has gone from 1.09 to 0.88 in just over 1 quarter of trading, that job losses have increased, that multi-nationals are leaving Australia because of its high cost of employment.....

Right you are - let's all pretend everything is fantastic.

How did that budget prediction of a $1.5 bn surplus go for 2013?

$20 billion deficit wasn't it?

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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #19 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Well Tony is right, Boat people headed for Australia are Australia's problem and we have to do something about it. As for the displaced people of the world, well that's another issue.

Tony's a nut-job!

Even you would recognise Turnbull as a better alternative to Abbott.

The fact that you will probably vote for a B-grade leader says a lot.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #20 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 2:31pm The Rudd push factor ...i
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #21 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 10:49am Innocent bystander wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 2:31pm: The Rudd push factor ...ihttp://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/4694210/data/boat-arrivals-by-year-graph... That's a Labor 'suck' factor, not a push one.
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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #22 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 12:03pm Saw a cute blonde reffo on the news, where the f#ck is she fleeing from, Sweden?, anyway Rudd can keep that one, she can stay at my place and do my dishes.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106881 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #23 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm Sending poofs to PNG:
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #24 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 3:31pm Postcards from PNG Looks similar to how our Indigenous people live. Could you send unaccompanied children to this? http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/png-scenes-from-the-settlements/663/
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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #25 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 5:14pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 3:31pm:

Postcards from PNG

Looks similar to how our Indigenous people live.

Could you send unaccompanied children to this?

http://cdn.theglobalmail.org/cache/54/f6/54f6170ef460b5dcbdbf71c139679fe9.jpg

http://cdn.theglobalmail.org/cache/86/db/86db6cedc5d338cbd4de2e91ececf196.jpg

http://cdn.theglobalmail.org/cache/07/eb/07ebf07877446d3d5f919b5b919d0fea.jpg

http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/png-scenes-from-the-settlements/663/

Making negative assertions about brown people are we? What a racist!

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Only the boat people can save us from our own evil.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #26 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 5:47pm Filthy f#ckin animals ... the mussies should fit right in.
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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #27 - Jul 24^th, 2013 at 6:38am

Did anyone watch Dateline last night?

Horrific allegations. Immigration Minister Tony Burke said he was unaware. Let's see what he does because the situation is unacceptable.

Former detention manager and whistle-blower, Rod St George explains why he quit.

"In Australia the facilities couldn't even serve as a dog kennel. The owners would be jailed."

“I’ve never seen human beings so destitute, so helpless and so hopeless before,” he tells Mark, as he describes repeated instances of rape and sexual abuse between asylum seekers with the full knowledge of staff.

With no facilities to segregate or remove the abusers, Mark hears of the desperation for those continually being abused while waiting months for their asylum applications to be processed… St George says attempted suicides and self-harming are now an ‘almost daily’ occurrence.

Read the transcript here:

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id/601700/n/Manus-Whistleblower

I will continue to ignore your stupidity misty

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Re: The REFUGEE "push factor"
Reply #28 - Jul 24^th, 2013 at 11:45am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

Did anyone watch Dateline last night?

Horrific allegations. Immigration Minister Tony Burke said he was unaware. Let's see what he does because the situation is unacceptable.

Former detention manager and whistle-blower, Rod St George explains why he quit.

"In Australia the facilities couldn't even serve as a dog kennel. The owners would be jailed."

“I’ve never seen human beings so destitute, so helpless and so hopeless before,” he tells Mark, as he describes repeated instances of rape and sexual abuse between asylum seekers with the full knowledge of staff.

With no facilities to segregate or remove the abusers, Mark hears of the desperation for those continually being abused while waiting months for their asylum applications to be processed… St George says attempted suicides and self-harming are now an ‘almost daily’ occurrence.

Read the transcript here:

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id/601700/n/Manus-Whistleblower

I will continue to ignore your stupidity misty

Asylum seekers raping and assaulting other asylum seekers. Hang on, I thought these people were all good people, so the international socialists keep telling us.

Somehow this will get turned around and Australians will be to blame - I see see it a mile off.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: The REFUGEE "push factor" Reply #29 - Jul 24^th, 2013 at 12:39pm Its hardly surprising, there aren't too many young boys in Afghanistan without a sore arse, child rapists and clit manglers make great citizens though according to the left.
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