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Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm
 

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A 15-year-old Australian imprisoned in a notorious Ethiopian federal jail for shooting his niece in the neck was initially forced to share a cell with international criminals and drug traffickers, according to his lawyer.

The teenager, Obsa Paulos Gudina, is now in his third, and "cleanest" cell in Kaliti prison since his arrest in April 16, lawyer Taffesse Gebremedhin has told Fairfax Media.

Mr Gebremedhin said that despite third-world prison conditions and an initial period of depression, Obsa Paulos Gudina is coping better since his change to a cleaner, less crowded cell.


"I had an extended conversation with him [on Thursday]... He's healthy looking. He looks nice, he's happy," he said.

Advertisement Mr Gebremedhin said that Obsa was first placed in a "big cell... with over 300 prisoners, many of them arrested in connection with drugs".

"It was terrible... many prisoners suffer suffocation [due to the] lack of ventilation. He was depressed... not healthy looking, [and] not really in a stable condition," Mr Gebremedhin said.


"This is not a developed nation, and prisons are overcrowded, and minimum standards are not satisfied."

After seeing Obsa and noting his cell conditions, Mr Gebremedhin and the Australian deputy head of mission and counsellor, John Newman, lodged a complaint with the prison administration to have Obsa moved to a better cell.

"They [the prison administration] gave consideration to Obsa's circumstances, and moved him to another room, which was cleaner," Mr Gebremedhin said.

Obsa's current prison conditions are tolerable, Mr Gebremedhin said, and despite "a lot of limitations", Obsa's hygiene conditions are "relatively OK".

"He has access to a bathroom... He said they even provided him with a mattress," Mr Gebremedhin said.

"[But] there is no library facility, no place for him to read a book."

Obsa spent the first month of his incarceration at the main police station in Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa, waiting for the prosecutor to gather information about the incident.

After a month, Obsa was charged with intentional homicide, and moved to the infamous Kaliti prison, on the outskirts of Addis Ababa.

After the charge, he appeared before the federal court, where he was denied bail by the presiding judge due to the serious nature of his charge.

While Mr Gebremedhin said that no physical harm was done to Obsa in the all-adult jail, "he was not happy" at the time.

"He was depressed... not healthy looking, [and] not really in a stable condition," Mr Gebremedhin said.

The lawyer said adults and minors are often placed together in the same jail cells in Ethiopia, despite a person under the age of 18 being legally considered a minor.

"There is no separate prison for minors and adults. Minors between the ages of 15 and 18 are required to stay in a separate place, but there is no such place for them," he said.

Mr Gebremedhin indicated to the teen's mother, Tsehai Atomsa, that legal fees will be approximately $A10,000.

Heidi Zwick from the New Hope Foundation said the family has very limited financial resources, "as Tsehai lives in public housing and is on a disability support payment".

Ms Atomsa told Fairfax Media on Friday that she is grateful for the local support she has received.

"Australian people have helped us with everything," she said.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourne-boy-at-risk-in-notorious-ethiopian-p...

what a waste of our money they are.
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sprint learnt to highlight Smiley  Well done sprint!
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____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:31pm:


A piddly little sketch from the Silly Morning Herald is your argument?

Anyway, that's negligible number considering that 25% of the population is overseas born.
Just saying.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
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A 15-year-old Australian imprisoned in a notorious Ethiopian federal jail for shooting his niece in the neck was initially forced to share a cell with international criminals and drug traffickers, according to his lawyer.

The teenager, Obsa Paulos Gudina, is now in his third, and "cleanest" cell in Kaliti prison since his arrest in April 16, lawyer Taffesse Gebremedhin has told Fairfax Media.

Mr Gebremedhin said that despite third-world prison conditions and an initial period of depression, Obsa Paulos Gudina is coping better since his change to a cleaner, less crowded cell.


"I had an extended conversation with him [on Thursday]... He's healthy looking. He looks nice, he's happy," he said.

Advertisement Mr Gebremedhin said that Obsa was first placed in a "big cell... with over 300 prisoners, many of them arrested in connection with drugs".

"It was terrible... many prisoners suffer suffocation [due to the] lack of ventilation. He was depressed... not healthy looking, [and] not really in a stable condition," Mr Gebremedhin said.


"This is not a developed nation, and prisons are overcrowded, and minimum standards are not satisfied."

After seeing Obsa and noting his cell conditions, Mr Gebremedhin and the Australian deputy head of mission and counsellor, John Newman, lodged a complaint with the prison administration to have Obsa moved to a better cell.

"They [the prison administration] gave consideration to Obsa's circumstances, and moved him to another room, which was cleaner," Mr Gebremedhin said.

Obsa's current prison conditions are tolerable, Mr Gebremedhin said, and despite "a lot of limitations", Obsa's hygiene conditions are "relatively OK".

"He has access to a bathroom... He said they even provided him with a mattress," Mr Gebremedhin said.

"[But] there is no library facility, no place for him to read a book."

Obsa spent the first month of his incarceration at the main police station in Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa, waiting for the prosecutor to gather information about the incident.

After a month, Obsa was charged with intentional homicide, and moved to the infamous Kaliti prison, on the outskirts of Addis Ababa.

After the charge, he appeared before the federal court, where he was denied bail by the presiding judge due to the serious nature of his charge.

While Mr Gebremedhin said that no physical harm was done to Obsa in the all-adult jail, "he was not happy" at the time.

"He was depressed... not healthy looking, [and] not really in a stable condition," Mr Gebremedhin said.

The lawyer said adults and minors are often placed together in the same jail cells in Ethiopia, despite a person under the age of 18 being legally considered a minor.

"There is no separate prison for minors and adults. Minors between the ages of 15 and 18 are required to stay in a separate place, but there is no such place for them," he said.

Mr Gebremedhin indicated to the teen's mother, Tsehai Atomsa, that legal fees will be approximately $A10,000.

Heidi Zwick from the New Hope Foundation said the family has very limited financial resources, "as Tsehai lives in public housing and is on a disability support payment".

Ms Atomsa told Fairfax Media on Friday that she is grateful for the local support she has received.

"Australian people have helped us with everything," she said.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourne-boy-at-risk-in-notorious-ethiopian-p...

what a waste of our money they are.
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That is exactly the type of refugee the lefties are looking for, the more the better.
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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:27pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:32pm:
sprint learnt to highlight Smiley  Well done sprint!


thanks.
It was something I learnt while NOT shooting anyone in the neck in a loser country.
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Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:48pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
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what a waste of our money they are.


What? Australian citizens?

Is there something I've missed here? The article says the kid's Australian.

What happened to protecting our own kind?
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
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what a waste of our money they are.


What? Australian citizens?

Is there something I've missed here? The article says the kid's Australian.

What happened to protecting our own kind?



Obsa Paulos Gudina


Now there's an Aussie name for you.

He's about as Australian as I am a fking Kraut.
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:57pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
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what a waste of our money they are.


What? Australian citizens?

Is there something I've missed here? The article says the kid's Australian.

What happened to protecting our own kind?



Obsa Paulos Gudina


Now there's an Aussie name for you.

He's about as Australian as I am a fking Kraut.


Andrei Hicks - now there's an Aussie name for you.
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Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:13pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:31pm:


A piddly little sketch from the Silly Morning Herald is your argument?

Anyway, that's negligible number considering that 25% of the population is overseas born.
Just saying.



Not arguing with you, I am laughing at you.
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Reply #10 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
____ wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:31pm:


A piddly little sketch from the Silly Morning Herald is your argument?

Anyway, that's negligible number considering that 25% of the population is overseas born.
Just saying.


Exactly. I'd be evicting everyone who comes from overseas, Soren. Not Australian, you see.

We need to look after our own kind.

Krauts, Yarpies, the lot. That is exactly the type of refugee the lefties are looking for, Soren.
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Reply #11 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:25pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
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what a waste of our money they are.


What? Australian citizens?

Is there something I've missed here? The article says the kid's Australian.

What happened to protecting our own kind?


he is not my kind.
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Reply #12 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:27pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:25pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
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what a waste of our money they are.


What? Australian citizens?

Is there something I've missed here? The article says the kid's Australian.

What happened to protecting our own kind?


he is not my kind.
http://images.theage.com.au/2013/07/18/4581931/art-obsa-2-620x349.jpg


Yes, you said that, Sprint. Looks like you're posting a picture of his Australian passport though.

Thoughts?
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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:41pm
 

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,........the teen's mother, Tsehai Atomsa........


is not an australian name either.
She is one welfare and we are paying her housing.
Now we are paying for her som who 'allegedly' murdered his neice when in ethiopia.
I assume they are from there. send them back there.
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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:48pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:57pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
[quote]

what a waste of our money they are.


What? Australian citizens?

Is there something I've missed here? The article says the kid's Australian.

What happened to protecting our own kind?



Obsa Paulos Gudina


Now there's an Aussie name for you.

He's about as Australian as I am a fking Kraut.


Andrei Hicks - now there's an Aussie name for you.


Interesting question from our cafa hating brother Andrei has raised here.

What is an "Australian Name", and does qualification into the set of acceptable australian names override any more formal Australian qualifications like citizenship or residency. ?

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