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Reply #180 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

It will be interesting to see if this solution works. It is essentially another version of the Pacific Solution which Rudd supported at one stage, opposed at another and has now re-invented. My only concern is that it is a RUDD policy which means there has to be something in the details that will ruin it. After all, when he was PM, everything he touched turned to crap. What should this be any different?

But it is amusing that he has yet again copied a Howard policy and the lefties are tying themselves in knots over it.

Now, now melielongtime. Hayseed never, ever, ever....not once...... took the position that if you want to pay Achmed the Smuggler to take you on a cruise of the Indian Ocean.....you will not end up in Australia....you will end up in PNG. Fell free to prove me wrong with links.

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Reply #184 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:51pm

Ammonsa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Ammonsa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Maybe we should just let refugees into Australia, instead of putting them into detention camps that have literally been described as comparable with war POW camps. I don't know, but it feels like it'd be a lot EASIER to just grant these refugees fleeing to Australia, basic human rights, and decency.

The refugees we do accept into Australia are granted basic human rights and decency. I believe we are in a position to accept more, and Rudd has promised to increase our intake of refugees if this deal with PNG works. The problem with onshore processing is that encourages many to make what is a very perilous trip without increasing the number of refugees we ultimately accept into Australia.

So the response to is put them into inhumane detention camps, and then now shove them off into a country that actually doesn't have a stellar record of human rights and basic living conditions?

What would you do? If you can suggest a more humane solution that doesn't open up the flood gates and result in more deaths at sea, I'd be very happy to advocate such a policy.

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Reply #186 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:01pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

It will be interesting to see if this solution works. It is essentially another version of the Pacific Solution which Rudd supported at one stage, opposed at another and has now re-invented. My only concern is that it is a RUDD policy which means there has to be something in the details that will ruin it. After all, when he was PM, everything he touched turned to crap. What should this be any different?

But it is amusing that he has yet again copied a Howard policy and the lefties are tying themselves in knots over it.

Now, now melielongtime. Hayseed never, ever, ever....not once...... took the position that if you want to pay Achmed the Smuggler to take you on a cruise of the Indian Ocean.....you will not end up in Australia....you will end up in PNG. Fell free to prove me wrong with links.

he has supported the Malaysian solution, the pacific solution, 'towing the boats back', 'come one, come all', the compassionate approach and the hardline approach. other than torpedoing the boats, what other positions is there for him to adopt?

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Reply #187 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:02pm

woof woof wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

This will stop the boats, and I as much as I hate labor I will vote for labor on this policy alone.Knuckles and the bleeding hearts must be having a coronary today.

you are assuming that the policy lasts until after the election. REmember this is Rudd. The 2014 policy could be anything at all.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: RUDD Annunces - All boat arrivals go to New Guinea Reply #188 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:07pm skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:03pm: Rudd doesn't recognise any of that shi t chook, Rudd recognises this will win him the election. He has Abbotts ass now, Abbott is gone. I think your right skip.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: RUDD Annunces - All boat arrivals go to New Guinea Reply #189 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:08pm woof woof wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:07pm: skippy. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:03pm: Rudd doesn't recognise any of that shi t chook, Rudd recognises this will win him the election. He has Abbotts ass now, Abbott is gone. I think your right skip. I'm always right.
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Reply #190 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

It will be interesting to see if this solution works. It is essentially another version of the Pacific Solution which Rudd supported at one stage, opposed at another and has now re-invented. My only concern is that it is a RUDD policy which means there has to be something in the details that will ruin it. After all, when he was PM, everything he touched turned to crap. What should this be any different?

But it is amusing that he has yet again copied a Howard policy and the lefties are tying themselves in knots over it.

Now, now melielongtime. Hayseed never, ever, ever....not once...... took the position that if you want to pay Achmed the Smuggler to take you on a cruise of the Indian Ocean.....you will not end up in Australia....you will end up in PNG. Fell free to prove me wrong with links.

he has supported the Malaysian solution, the pacific solution, 'towing the boats back', 'come one, come all', the compassionate approach and the hardline approach. other than torpedoing the boats, what other positions is there for him to adopt?

Hayseed = Howard. The solution Abbott can adopt is Rudd's, because it will work. If you think it won't, please tell me why.

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Reply #191 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

It will be interesting to see if this solution works. It is essentially another version of the Pacific Solution which Rudd supported at one stage, opposed at another and has now re-invented. My only concern is that it is a RUDD policy which means there has to be something in the details that will ruin it. After all, when he was PM, everything he touched turned to crap. What should this be any different?

But it is amusing that he has yet again copied a Howard policy and the lefties are tying themselves in knots over it.

Now, now melielongtime. Hayseed never, ever, ever....not once...... took the position that if you want to pay Achmed the Smuggler to take you on a cruise of the Indian Ocean.....you will not end up in Australia....you will end up in PNG. Fell free to prove me wrong with links.

he has supported the Malaysian solution, the pacific solution, 'towing the boats back', 'come one, come all', the compassionate approach and the hardline approach. other than torpedoing the boats, what other positions is there for him to adopt?

Hayseed = Howard. The solution Abbott can adopt is Rudd's, because it will work. If you think it won't, please tell me why.

my point, should you decide to actually understand it, is that Rudd has adopted virtually every position possible on the boat people problem. And in the end, has returned to what was in place before he came to power. Full circle with Rudd turning around 360 degrees, agonising over a decision and coming back to where we were 6 years ago.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38581 Gender:	Re: RUDD Annunces - All boat arrivals go to New Guinea Reply #192 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:27pm Quote: And in the end, has returned to what was in place before he came to power. Rubbish. Hayseed's solution did not include PNG's co-operation in accepting these people as potential long term citizens in that Country.
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Reply #193 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

It will be interesting to see if this solution works. It is essentially another version of the Pacific Solution which Rudd supported at one stage, opposed at another and has now re-invented. My only concern is that it is a RUDD policy which means there has to be something in the details that will ruin it. After all, when he was PM, everything he touched turned to crap. What should this be any different?

But it is amusing that he has yet again copied a Howard policy and the lefties are tying themselves in knots over it.

Now, now melielongtime. Hayseed never, ever, ever....not once...... took the position that if you want to pay Achmed the Smuggler to take you on a cruise of the Indian Ocean.....you will not end up in Australia....you will end up in PNG. Fell free to prove me wrong with links.

he has supported the Malaysian solution, the pacific solution, 'towing the boats back', 'come one, come all', the compassionate approach and the hardline approach. other than torpedoing the boats, what other positions is there for him to adopt?

Hayseed = Howard. The solution Abbott can adopt is Rudd's, because it will work. If you think it won't, please tell me why.

my point, should you decide to actually understand it, is that Rudd has adopted virtually every position possible on the boat people problem. And in the end, has returned to what was in place before he came to power. Full circle with Rudd turning around 360 degrees, agonising over a decision and coming back to where we were 6 years ago.

We were resettling all people who arrive by boat to png?

Wow... Someone tell tony this news for he thinks we are now outsourcing an australian problem. Aside of course from being a wanker hypocrite who thinks turning boats back to Indonesia is not outsourcing, someone should tell tony that his circle jerk partner was doing what Rudd is doing, in 2007. Apparently.

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Reply #194 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:42pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

What positive practical thing has he ever DONE, rather than promise, in the asylum issue?Please remind us.

start with yesterdays announcement ... and my comment wasn't limited to the asylum issue

Brilliant.

The bvgger was PM for 2 years, buggered everything he touched, including creating the situation to which he is now reacting, but you are giving him a free pass because yesterday he promised to do something about the mess he created (but blames on everyone else).

You are another sycophantic, hypocritical dissembler or else suffering from early onset memory loss.

It must suck big time, Soren, to be you. Rudd, by way of pragmatic decision and with the co-operation of Indonesia and PNG, solves a problem (one he 'created' if you like) in a manner no-one else verbalised and you are bitching like a bloody kid as if you lost your teddy.

What is your problem with Rudd's solution?

Ooh ooh, Mr Aussie,sir, I can answer that for pupil swallow, swallow is pissed off that phoney Tony did not come with the solution and Rudd has buggered phoney over.

Swallow’s just exposed himself as the cranky old rusted-on Tory he’s always pretended he’s not.

He just wants a solution that punishes the tinted races more. Forget the greatest good to the greatest number, Swallow wants the greatest amount of pain.

War with Indonesia would be ideal.

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