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Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm

There is no such thing as AGW its a scam devised by bankers to create a $2 trillion dollar market where once again they will have busts and booms when it suits them.

If anyone has done their research/homework they would have found that the computer simulated models in the IPCC's computers is the only evidence they have to tax us all the whole planet on the air we breath.

This evidence suggests that 10 to 12 klm's above the Earth (tropopause) around the equator there is a hot spot where manmade CO2 is accumulating and trapping heat in.

Instead of this heat escaping into space it forms this hot spot which in turn produces more water vapour and traps even more heat and the cycle keeps going around more manmade CO2 more water vapour, crykies if we dont stop it we will have a runaway green house effect and end up like venus, the planet that is.

Well emprical data (thousands of weather baloons) and satelitte data (temperature analysers) just cannot detect this hot spot, the only evidence they (IPCC) have on their computer models doesn't exist in the real world.

Not to mention the way the data is entered into the computers which really fail to approximate anything close to the real world, in other words sh!t in sh!t.

The IPCC, Al Gore/Goldman Sachs and all these other alarmist pigs that get millions for trying to find proof that climate change is real never ever tell you facts but rather try to scare the be-jesus out of us all.

Like for instance that 97% of the CO2 in our atmospohere comes from the ecosystems, you know the land, the sea, animals, humans breath out CO2.

Thats right all of humanity only produces 3% of the CO2 in our atmosphere.

The other 97% is natural and produced every year, if the sun catches a cold and sneezes our way, mans steady flow of 3% CO2 remains steady at 3%.

The other 97% that is natural has the potentional to double in size depending upon how much energy the sun sends our way.

They never tell you that if we took away all the trace gases like CO2, methane, ozone etc etc. that 95% of the greenhouse effect will be left on earth.

Thats because water vapour is the dominante greenhouse gas and its responsible for 95% of the warming we have here on Earth not CO2 which is a minor trace gas.

The other thing they dont tell you is that in our past history we have had 20 times the amount of CO2 we have today in our atmosphere and guess what it never triggered a runaway greenhouse effect, life actually flourished when we had 20 times more CO2 in our atmopshere.

The blatant lie that CO2 emissions correlate with the Earth's temperature is a blatant lie, CO2 follows the Earth's temperature by a lag of about 800 years.

The fact that alarmists scientists want to hang other scientists (skeptics) who are not convinced of their theories just goes to show how politicized the Anthropogenic Global Warming religion really is, science doesn't work that, we still have people today trying to prove Newton and Einstein wrong but we dont call them herectics and ask for their death now do we.

Yes climate change is real is has been apart of the Earth since the Earth formed into a lava invested planet, climate change has always and will always happen, the Earths temperature is controlled by the SUN and everything else that takes place is because of the sun and cosmic rays from outer space.

Can anyone show where in our history climate change has stood still????......Now I'ld like to see that.

AGW is false no the seas aren't rising, no natural distaters are not from manmade CO2 emissions causing global warming its all part of the natural cycle of the Earth where we have hot periods and ice ages.

This religion is really sad, but sader still are the goody two shoes who think selling carbon credits on the stock exchange will some how clean up manmade pollution.

They are going to trade carbon credits for CO2 emissions in a $2 trillion dollars market where your superannuation and any other investments you make will find its way, then bang there will be booms and busts and some of us will loose everything, timing is the key i guess.

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #1 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:02am

Ajax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

This evidence suggests that 10 to 12 klm's above the Earth (tropopause) around the equator there is a hot spot where manmade CO2 is accumulating and trapping heat in.

Instead of this heat escaping into space it forms this hot spot which in turn produces more water vapour and traps even more heat and the cycle keeps going around more manmade CO2 more water vapour, crykies if we dont stop it we will have a runaway green house effect and end up like venus, the planet that is.

You probably need to read up on the basics of the greenhouse effect and radiative forcing before commenting, I've posted a sticky thread. Once you've done the basic self-education bit, tell me which part you disagree with (if you still do). Nobody has actually been able to do that. OK, they'll clutch on to an opening comment and say that it's false, but blissfully ignore the details of the explanations that back up the comment.

Your sources are flawed.

Maybe the approach of the carbon tax or emissions trading is wrong. The basic atmospheric physics is sound, but the best way to approach it needs to work along with basic human nature.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137545 Gender:	Re: global cooling warming,climate change,green energy Reply #2 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:43am muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:02am: I've posted a sticky thread. Yes. And it opens with a hypothesis: "Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it."
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Reply #3 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 12:03pm

Hi Muso

First I’m all for cleaning up manmade pollution that’s all the chemicals that corporations throw in our waterways and dump in landfills to save themselves some money, I’m not a grennie but I hate yobbos who litter our country and so do most of us now that’s a fact.

I have done my homework on AGW and yes I do understand how the greenhouse effect is suppose to work, I don’t need highly politicized IPCC propaganda to understand the science, like in your sticky above.

It’s simple and you don’t need to be a professor to understand it, the hypothesis the IPCC presents is that of the tropopause is heating up it may create a runaway greenhouse effect as I have explained above in my previous post.

This means that the temperature in the tropopause should be greater than the temperature at ground level, but guess what the exact opposite is true in the real world; this phenomenon is only found in their computer simulated models which cannot approximate the climate of the Earth at all.

Thousands of weather balloons and satellite data have failed to detect this hot spot which is the only piece of evidence coming out of the IPCC computer models, now why do you ignore this vital piece of information.

If the tropopause is heating up then the weather balloons and satellite data would have detected the hot spot but it doesn’t exist in the real world.

If that’s not the nail in the coffin I don’t know what is?

What about the fact that the IPCC amplify the effects of CO2 on their computer models to get the desired result, this leads to the hypothesis that more CO2 will lead to more water vapor and the cycle goes on.

This being the case there should be an abnormal amount of water vapor and CO2 around the equator, but guess what again empirical data has failed to show this is true, meaning that these theories don’t exist in the real world only on their computer models.

Not to mention that most of the warming in the last century happened before 1940 now they don’t tell you this do they?

Or that 1/3 of all manmade CO2 was released into the atmosphere AFTER 1998 yet we have had cooling not warming since 1998, meaning that the temperatures after 1998 have not surpassed the 1998 values, even the IPCC agree on this!

What happened to unequivocal warming??

Unfortunately I cannot post any sources because I have to reach 100 posts, so how do you know my sources are flawed?

Are you saying that CO2 drives warming here on planet Earth?

Because most scientists even the alarmists agree that CO2 lags temperature by about 800 years, they don’t tell you that do they.

BTW those graphs in your sticky that show the correlation between CO2 and temperature why are they all at around 450000 years scale, I’ll tell you because at this scale it looks as though CO2 & temperature correlate.

But we all know they don’t because CO2 follows temperature, temperature doesn’t follow the tiny amount CO2 in our atmosphere.

Water vapor is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth….fact!!!!!

You should do your homework so Al Gore and his cronies cannot pull the wool over your eyes dude.

BTW do you know Al Gore has set up a company to sell carbon credits to the whole world??????

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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rabbitoh07 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2783 Gender:	Re: global cooling warming,climate change,green energy Reply #4 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 12:20pm Ajax wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 12:03pm: I have done my homework on AGW and yes I do understand how the greenhouse effect is suppose to work, No you haven't. No you don't. Take Muso's advice and stop making an idiot of yourself.
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Reply #5 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 12:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:43am:

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:02am:

I've posted a sticky thread.

Yes. And it opens with a hypothesis:

"Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it."

Roll Eyes

No Greggery. That is a statement of fact.

If it were a hypothesis it would be expressed in terms such as:
"If humans were to significantly increase the concentration of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere as a result of anthropogenic emissions, then the global climate would change significantly due to global warming."
This is a testable hypothesis because we can measure the increase in the concentration of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere as a result of anthropogenic emissions, and we can measure the ongoing warming of the planet and the subsequent changes in climactic conditions.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: global cooling warming,climate change,green energy Reply #6 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:08pm ?
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: global cooling warming,climate change,green energy Reply #7 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:10pm ?
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: global cooling warming,climate change,green energy Reply #8 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:11pm double post
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Reply #9 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:12pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:11pm:

[quote author=Ajax link=1374222833/7#7 date=1374466228][quote author=Ajax link=1374222833/6#6 date=1374466103] [quote]
No you haven't.
No you don't.

Take Muso's advice and stop making an idiot of yourself.

Yes i have
Yes i do

When the truth is realised by all, then the greenies better take cover.

Today we have some of the coolest temperatures the Earth has ever experienced.

Today we have the lowest levels of CO2 the Earth has ever experienced.

Since we're coming out of an ice age it only makes sense that temperatures will rise then followed by a CO2 rise.

Remember CO2 increases with an 800 year lag with respect to temperature.

Like i said today we are experiencing some of the lowest temperatures in our history and the lowest amounts of CO2.

Dont listen to the IPCC and the UN who are both owned by bankers.

No big deal the Earth experiences hot periods & Ice ages all without the help of man's poultry 3% CO2 emissions.

Its like in the 1970's because we were on a downward trend with temperatures these very same clowns where calling for global cooling and they even thought about melting the arctic, didn't worry about polar bears then ehhh.

Now where on upward trend in regards to temperature and these clowns are taxing us on the air we breath.

Well the sun is going into abit of a hybernation in the next couple of decades with regards to sunspots this will mean that temperatures should go down as time will tell.

The sun controls Earth's temperature not the 0.0039% of CO2 in our atmosphere.

And from that 0.0039% only 3% is manmade.

Wake up and smell the CO2 dude???!!!

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #10 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:49pm

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:02am:

Nobody has actually been able to do that. OK, they'll clutch on to an opening comment and say that it's false, but blissfully ignore the details of the explanations that back up the comment.

For example:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:43am:

Yes. And it opens with a hypothesis:

"Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it."

Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:51pm

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:49pm:

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:02am:

Nobody has actually been able to do that. OK, they'll clutch on to an opening comment and say that it's false, but blissfully ignore the details of the explanations that back up the comment.

For example:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:43am:

Yes. And it opens with a hypothesis:

"Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it."

Roll Eyes

Is there any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be incorrect?

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Reply #12 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:51pm:

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:49pm:

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:02am:

Nobody has actually been able to do that. OK, they'll clutch on to an opening comment and say that it's false, but blissfully ignore the details of the explanations that back up the comment.

For example:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 8:43am:

Yes. And it opens with a hypothesis:

"Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it."

Roll Eyes

Is there any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be incorrect?

What hypothesis are you referring to?

Spell out for us the hypothesis you are referring to and we can tell you whether or not it has been falsified.

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rabbitoh07 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2783 Gender:	Re: global cooling warming,climate change,green energy Reply #13 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 5:55pm Ajax wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:12pm: Today we have some of the coolest temperatures the Earth has ever experienced. Today we have the lowest levels of CO2 the Earth has ever experienced. Go away troll. No food for you here.
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Reply #14 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 6:43pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Yes i have
Yes i do

Well let's see

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When the truth is realised by all, then the greenies better take cover.

Do the "greenies" include every National Academy of Science, The Bureau of Meteorology, the CSIRO? What about the Conservative Party in the UK?

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Today we have some of the coolest temperatures the Earth has ever experienced.

What? Pull the other one. Cooler than the last few glaciations? Maybe if we ignore the last few million years.

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Today we have the lowest levels of CO2 the Earth has ever experienced.

Only if you ignore the last 5 million years.

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Since we're coming out of an ice age it only makes sense that temperatures will rise then followed by a CO2 rise.

Remember CO2 increases with an 800 year lag with respect to temperature.

We had an Ice Age 800 years ago?

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Like i said today we are experiencing some of the lowest temperatures in our history and the lowest amounts of CO2.

It doesn't matter how much you repeat it. It's not backed up by data.

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Dont listen to the IPCC and the UN who are both owned by bankers.

Which bank? Can you provide a link to their prospectus that confirms that piece of "wisdom" ?

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No big deal the Earth experiences hot periods & Ice ages all without the help of man's poultry 3% CO2 emissions.

3% of CO2 emissions come from rearing chickens?

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Its like in the 1970's because we were on a downward trend with temperatures these very same clowns where calling for global cooling and they even thought about melting the arctic, didn't worry about polar bears then ehhh.

The vast majority of papers in that period predicted global warming.

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Well the sun is going into abit of a hybernation in the next couple of decades with regards to sunspots this will mean that temperatures should go down as time will tell.

Under normal circumstances, global temperatures should have dipped slightly. In fact they increased.

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The sun controls Earth's temperature not the 0.0039% of CO2 in our atmosphere.

Without that 0.0039% CO2, the mean global temperature would be around minus 18 degrees C. It's called the Greenhouse Effect. Are you denying the fact that the Earth has a Greenhouse effect?

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And from that 0.0039% only 3% is manmade.

Incorrect. The global atmospheric CO2 concentration has increased from 315ppm to 394ppm between 1958 and 2013.

That's an increase of 25% over a 55 year period. Isotope abundance analysis reveals that the increase is largely due to the combustion of fossil fuels.

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Wake up and smell the CO2 dude???!!!

CO2 is an odourless gas at atmospheric concentrations. Grin

Why don't you wake up and smell the websites that you obviously frequent. They are definitely on the nose..... dude.

Now what about demonstrating some of the knowledge that you claim to have?

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