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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #30 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

can you explain the word ignore???...

and perhaps your screeching of 1 million dead could be a lie as well

AL ARABIYA WITH AGENCIES
At least 112,000 civilians were killed in the 10 years since the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam Hussein, a new report published on Sunday said.

Including combatants on all sides of the decade-long conflict, as well as yet undocumented civilian fatalities, the figure could rise as high as 174,000, according to the Britain-based Iraq Body Count (IBC) group.

“This conflict is not yet history,” it said in its report, which put the number of civilian deaths since March 20, 2003 at between 112,017 and 122,438.

try taking your finger off the green PANIC b utton will you?

Hassein killed thousands I dont recall the greens b eing up in arms over him...

he gassed the kurds they died a horrible death..I havent seen one word on that.. and all they were doing was minding their own business..

they just happened to be in his way..

an other thing I havent seen a word on. is SYRIA... has your party taken any interest in what is happening right at this moment in SYRIA????????...if they have its news to me.. but Iraq is very much at the fore front..

how come greenswhine.. why no interest in SYRIA>??? its all playing out on the web..hard to IGNORE

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #31 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:55am

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Yes you did

Bob Brown abandoned you

How, is he voting conservative?

Hey maqqa, get back to headquarters and tell tony to up labor and send all plane refugees to PNG too.

You know, the ones that lie they are tourists and then claim refugee status on landing.

Start a scare campaign and Labor has to agree.

Come on, don't give up on this race down.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #32 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:57am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd has won the race to the bottom by outflanking Tony Abbott on the extreme Right.
Who'd have thought some on here would be pleased about it??

we are not surprise at all.. buzz is back with a vengeance.[crayons and all] so is skip.. they are enraptured..

they believe every little lie/ pearl that dribble from his mouth... even the one about INTEGRITY..

a caring honorable man... Roll Eyes

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #33 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:58am

The funny thing about the greens is that they are arguing the deterrent to stopping getting on the boats. What the greens should be doing now is arguing what we do now that the boats will stop. Change the debate! Start asking how we are going to change our policies to support additional processing of asylum seekers that actually related to the global numbers and especially to the numbers waiting for processing in Indonesia.

But the greens will spend their efforts arguing against png and everyone will forget that all of a sudden with put blinkers over the true situation.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #34 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #35 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:00am

Buzz never had integrity or morals cods, its hardly surprising.

I don't read skippy's posts to be honest, I class him as a village idiot without the brain power to hold a decent argument. His posts tend to be about socks and conga lines (though at least he stopped referring to a Congo line) - so I merely pass over them.

I think the support for a hard line right wing policy on asylum is quite enlightening but alleged humanitarians.

I must say Greens_win comes out of this as a guy who believes in principles here.
He's stuck to his beliefs.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #36 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:00am

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd has won the race to the bottom by outflanking Tony Abbott on the extreme Right.
Who'd have thought some on here would be pleased about it??

we are not surprise at all.. buzz is back with a vengeance.[crayons and all] so is skip.. they are enraptured..

they believe every little lie/ pearl that dribble from his mouth... even the one about INTEGRITY..

a caring honorable man... Roll Eyes

LOL you are sadly mistakes, AGAIN. I don't believe a word Rudd says, it will more then Likly get rejected when challenged in the high court. All I give a sh it about is seeing Abbott lose the election, Rudds job is nearly done. Grin

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #37 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea.
This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #38 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

And deaths will continue happen. Sure, we should be taking more from processing centers. 110% agree. That's what the greens should now be arguing, an not spending their time feeling outraged that wow we don't want people to use people smugglers to take them to their death.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:04am

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

can you explain the word ignore???...

and perhaps your screeching of 1 million dead could be a lie as well

AL ARABIYA WITH AGENCIES
At least 112,000 civilians were killed in the 10 years since the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam Hussein, a new report published on Sunday said.

Including combatants on all sides of the decade-long conflict, as well as yet undocumented civilian fatalities, the figure could rise as high as 174,000, according to the Britain-based Iraq Body Count (IBC) group.

“This conflict is not yet history,” it said in its report, which put the number of civilian deaths since March 20, 2003 at between 112,017 and 122,438.

try taking your finger off the green PANIC b utton will you?

Hassein killed thousands I dont recall the greens b eing up in arms over him...

he gassed the kurds they died a horrible death..I havent seen one word on that.. and all they were doing was minding their own business..

they just happened to be in his way..

an other thing I havent seen a word on. is SYRIA... has your party taken any interest in what is happening right at this moment in SYRIA????????...if they have its news to me.. but Iraq is very much at the fore front..

how come greenswhine.. why no interest in SYRIA>??? its all playing out on the web..hard to IGNORE

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:09am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

The funny thing about the greens is that they are arguing the deterrent to stopping getting on the boats. What the greens should be doing now is arguing what we do now that the boats will stop. Change the debate! Start asking how we are going to change our policies to support additional processing of asylum seekers that actually related to the global numbers and especially to the numbers waiting for processing in Indonesia.

But the greens will spend their efforts arguing against png and everyone will forget that all of a sudden with put blinkers over the true situation.

Will the boats really stop?

What of the massive migration from the path of climate inaction humanity is on.

The boats will not stop ... and I will never see these vulnerable people as any less than humans.

LibLab have set a precedent that will reverberate throughout all areas of life.

If we can treat refugees inhumanely, we can not treat the most vulnerable Australians as inhumanely as we like.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:18am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea.
This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct.

Stop the business model by going to the camps of malaysia and indonesia and offer to take all the children without parents first and then all the children with parents second (offer the parents a path later). Offer open communication between parents and children so they can see their children are being given all the opportunities we can give them.

Bring them here, educate and offer all the assistance to decrease the damage already done.

If people are worried about the children drowning, what of the sexual and mental abuse within the camps?

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

The funny thing about the greens is that they are arguing the deterrent to stopping getting on the boats. What the greens should be doing now is arguing what we do now that the boats will stop. Change the debate! Start asking how we are going to change our policies to support additional processing of asylum seekers that actually related to the global numbers and especially to the numbers waiting for processing in Indonesia.

But the greens will spend their efforts arguing against png and everyone will forget that all of a sudden with put blinkers over the true situation.

Will the boats really stop?

What of the massive migration from the path of climate inaction humanity is on.

The boats will not stop ... and I will never see these vulnerable people as any less than humans.

LibLab have set a precedent that will reverberate throughout all areas of life.

If we can treat refugees inhumanely, we can not treat the most vulnerable Australians as inhumanely as we like.

And that's the difference. The greens are okay it seems with people risking their life. That's why they are radical. A true centre left says "good, I do hope the boats stop so the death at sea stops. Now govenment, what do you plan to do about the fact your "quota" doesn't reflect the times, and what are you going to do about people being stuck in processing camps or stateless in Indonesia? Now tat you have tackled the boats, what will you do about our humanitarian program being so sh1t?"

That's the centre left view. And I'm so sick of the greens being the reflection of the modeen left. Because they aren't. Give me back the democrats any day of the week.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #43 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am

ok greeny I have just watched Morrison on ABC24.. and what he says no one can really deny..

there is no agreement.. none that anyone other than rudd knows about anyway..

there is/was no consultation with anyone its all about rudd..

everything and everywhere its chaos.. now its Nauru s turn..

every policy ends up in chaos.or confusion or both...

and they expect this to work..

we do have a right to know what this entails..HOW MUCH for starters.. what has this mega maniac signed us up for????

last I heard we dont have ANY MONEY...

and when Port Moresby sees the riots they may change their minds.. I know I would.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #44 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

And deaths will continue happen. Sure, we should be taking more from processing centers. 110% agree. That's what the greens should now be arguing, an not spending their time feeling outraged that wow we don't want people to use people smugglers to take them to their death.

Greens are quite capable of chewing and spiting. Just because we oppose the moral sellout of both old parties doesn't mean we have neglected other areas required for humanely handling issues.

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