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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #45 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:21am

I have always said that we should have had a referendum on this issue... including asking the question about Australia withdrawing from the UN Refugee Convention.

That was never going to happen, of course. Because everyone - especially the politicians - knows what the result would be.

But, we got the next best thing. Yesterday's announcement by Kevin Rudd was pretty much an admission that the majority of Australians wanted something done about this problem because all Kevin is really worried about is winning the upcoming Federal election.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #47 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:36am

Carl D wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

I have always said that we should have had a referendum on this issue... including asking the question about Australia withdrawing from the UN Refugee Convention.

That was never going to happen, of course. Because everyone - especially the politicians - knows what the result would be.

But, we got the next best thing. Yesterday's announcement by Kevin Rudd was pretty much an admission that the majority of Australians wanted something done about this problem because all Kevin is really worried about is winning the upcoming Federal election

is this what we want????...hummmmmmmmmmmm.

do we really think the people smugglers are going to take any notice of backflip labor.

will we be taken to court again does anyone kn ow???..I can see all those lawyers rubbing their hands..

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #48 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:37am

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea.
This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct.

Stop the business model by going to the camps of malaysia and indonesia and offer to take all the children without parents first and then all the children with parents second (offer the parents a path later). Offer open communication between parents and children so they can see their children are being given all the opportunities we can give them.

Bring them here, educate and offer all the assistance to decrease the damage already done.

If people are worried about the children drowning, what of the sexual and mental abuse within the camps?

Then you'll have 50,000 children coming here.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #49 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:18am

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs.

The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #50 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:24am

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs.

The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

I was looking forward to a strong Greens party but they have proven that they are nothing more than a protest party who will be lucking to get any votes this time around. I am very disappointed with the Greens after the chance the Australian people gave them.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #51 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:32am

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs.

The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

I was looking forward to a strong Greens party but they have proven that they are nothing more than a protest party who will be lucking to get any votes this time around. I am very disappointed with the Greens after the chance the Australian people gave them.

they had a chance to affect change, improve policy make real progress .... instead they opted to become the class clown. I doubt many will take them seriously from now on.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #52 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:47am

Agreed. Christine Milne comes across like an old NIMBY crank. I’m seriously thinking of giving my vote to Labor.

They have offered nothing to this debate other than 1970s solutions to a growing humanitarian crisis.

Mind you, it’s hilarious to see the Tele parroting their lines. How can we send them to New Guinea? They have headhunters and pygmies with poison darts!

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #53 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:50am

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Agreed. Christine Milne comes across like an old NIMBY crank. I’m seriously thinking of giving my vote to Labor.

They have offered nothing to this debate other than 1970s solutions to a growing humanitarian crisis.

Mind you, it’s hilarious to see the Tele parroting their lines. How can we send them to New Guinea? They have headhunters and pygmies with poison darts!

With the women taking over the Greens they resemble the Democrats in their death throes.
Aging hippy women in charge do nothing to inspire confidence in anyone

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #54 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

The lefties will flood to the Greens and Western Sydney and Queensland will flood to Labor..thus giving Labor a massive advantage over the Libs.
Kevin O'Heaven has proven to be one smart cookie..

Treat people as yourself would like to be treated if you found yourself in their circumstances.

i.e via the UN convention on refugees.

This has got out of hand because the old parties have been racing to the bottom ... Labor looks like it has won on this issue unless conservatives can drum up something more horrific.

OK so what is the greens solution? I understand wanting to be compassionatr; I want to be compassionate. So what is the policy to stop people getting on a boat and dying at sea? The greens need to stop living in fairy land of "its fine its fine" because it isnt fine. They should be saying, OK this is something that will stop people getting on these boats and paying people smugglers. So, labor, what is your regional policy now to fix the processing mess that led to this problem. You've stopped the boats, so how do you intend to help people moving forward? Instead, the greens are left telling people its still fine to get on a boat and die.

What people do in international waters and in other countries are not for us to decide.

If they enter Australian waters, act humanely and according to our word.

Take the business away from the boats by processing more people in camps and lifting our intake from them.

See, not perfect yet we don't have to become nasty mean spirited people because a few people are making a small amount of money, offering a service.

But we have to be cruel to be kind to stop kids drowning at sea.
This will stop the boats because the business model is defunct.

Stop the business model by going to the camps of malaysia and indonesia and offer to take all the children without parents first and then all the children with parents second (offer the parents a path later). Offer open communication between parents and children so they can see their children are being given all the opportunities we can give them.

Bring them here, educate and offer all the assistance to decrease the damage already done.

If people are worried about the children drowning, what of the sexual and mental abuse within the camps?

Then you'll have 50,000 children coming here.

OMG ... save us from the children.

Come on bobby, you can do better than that.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #55 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Insert greens solution to people dying at sea: << >>

the greens only have one solution, one they KNOW will never happen. That way they can sit on their high horse while innocents die.

The greens need to realise that when it refuses to negotiate on an issue, that leaves the other parties with no choice but to find other means .... some of those they like even less than they like the original proposal.

There is no way Greens supporters will sell out their humanity and no way we will do it because of some business people in Indonesia offering a service to vulnerable people.

If you are so worried about people dying then why did Labor and Liberal ignore the 1,000,000 civilians dead from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Part of the push factor don't forget !!!

Politics is the art of diplomacy. Until the Greens realise that they will never be a major player in Australian politics. Instead they'll pander to the loony fringes. I believe the Greens have lost a lot of supporters over the last 3 years just because of this ARROGANT stance of theirs.

The Greens are like the little boy who runs home with his bat and ball just because he didn't like the umpires decision. That's just not cricket now is it Green.

The Greens are doing just fine.
Those doing what is right not always start out popular.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #56 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Agreed. Christine Milne comes across like an old NIMBY crank. I’m seriously thinking of giving my vote to Labor.

They have offered nothing to this debate other than 1970s solutions to a growing humanitarian crisis.

Mind you, it’s hilarious to see the Tele parroting their lines. How can we send them to New Guinea? They have headhunters and pygmies with poison darts!

With the women taking over the Greens they resemble the Democrats in their death throes.
Aging hippy women in charge do nothing to inspire confidence in anyone

Then you have nothing to fear from the Greens.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #57 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

Greens,
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OMG ... save us from the children.

Come on bobby, you can do better than that.

Greens - you are well meaning but you must accept reality.
We are not going to open our doors to the 100's of millions of displaced people.

There has to be a limit.
We are already very generous & accept many people from refugee camps.

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Reply #58 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

Greens, your stance on this issue has been admirable.

I disagree on near on every political view you hold but admire your ethical and principled view on issues.

Your refusal to back something you don't believe in just because it may cost Tony Abbott votes does you credit and quite a few on here could learn a thing or two off you.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #59 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens,
Quote:

OMG ... save us from the children.

Come on bobby, you can do better than that.

Greens - you are well meaning but you must accept reality.
We are not going to open our doors to the 100's of millions of displaced people.

There has to be a limit.
We are already very generous & accept many people from refugee camps.

Boby, as a lefty, I don't not agree with your current position.

When you realise your error, we will welcome you back with open arms.

Be careful where your messiah is leading you.

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