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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #60 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:32pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens, your stance on this issue has been admirable.

I disagree on near on every political view you hold but admire your ethical and principled view on issues.

Your refusal to back something you don't believe in just because it may cost Tony Abbott votes does you credit and quite a few on here could learn a thing or two off you.

Listen to Piers Ackerman here.

What’s the bet Piers says just this to David Marr on Insiders tomorrow?

I’ll put money down.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout Reply #61 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:33pm Dumping thousands of people in PNG for 12 months? Dumping the carbon tax for an ETS he can't get through the senate? Classic Rudd. Election time gimmick with little long term thought in mind. Still some people will follow anything to win...
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Reply #62 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens, your stance on this issue has been admirable.

I disagree on near on every political view you hold but admire your ethical and principled view on issues.

Your refusal to back something you don't believe in just because it may cost Tony Abbott votes does you credit and quite a few on here could learn a thing or two off you.

Making me feel dirty since we are on the same side ... that aside, thanks.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #63 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:48pm

"The evidence we hold from Papua New Guinea points to continued, widespread and pervasive violence, including against women in particular. There is also evidence of serious and ongoing daily human rights abuse.
The fact PNG is a signatory to the Refugee Convention but has elected to opt out of commitments to provide refugees with freedom of movement, education, housing or employment - causes us to find the announcement by the Australian Government as deeply concerning.

Amnesty cannot in any way support this treatment of displaced people which places them in continued danger."

Amnesty International
July 19, 2013.

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Reply #64 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Greens,
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OMG ... save us from the children.

Come on bobby, you can do better than that.

Greens - you are well meaning but you must accept reality.
We are not going to open our doors to the 100's of millions of displaced people.

There has to be a limit.
We are already very generous & accept many people from refugee camps.

Boby, as a lefty, I don't not agree with your current position.

When you realise your error, we will welcome you back with open arms.

Be careful where your messiah is leading you.

We'll let master Light be the judge. Wink

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96332	Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout Reply #65 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:09pm And New Guinea has actually asked Australia for assistance with security on Manus Island to address this problem. For me, this is the weak link in this scheme. New Guineans themselves aren’t happy with it. Rudd is betting, however, that very few refugees will make it there.
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Reply #66 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:30pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

And New Guinea has actually asked Australia for assistance with security on Manus Island to address this problem.

For me, this is the weak link in this scheme. New Guineans themselves aren’t happy with it.

Rudd is betting, however, that very few refugees will make it there.

Im willing to bet that only a handful of people will end up staying in New Guinea..most of them will go home once they find out its hopeless.

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Reply #67 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:48pm:

"The evidence we hold from Papua New Guinea points to continued, widespread and pervasive violence, including against women in particular. There is also evidence of serious and ongoing daily human rights abuse.
The fact PNG is a signatory to the Refugee Convention but has elected to opt out of commitments to provide refugees with freedom of movement, education, housing or employment - causes us to find the announcement by the Australian Government as deeply concerning.

Amnesty cannot in any way support this treatment of displaced people which places them in continued danger."

Amnesty International
July 19, 2013.

Tony Abbott is going to continue with the policy if by some miracle he gets voted in so all the complaining in the world wont change anything and in fact as the reffo numbers build up in Malaysia and Indonesia with no where to go Im betting they will also finally start doing something about the problem.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout Reply #68 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:37pm Carl D wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:36am: Double post. Sorry. My original post from 15 minutes ago magically appeared when I posted it again just now. That seems to happen when we start a new page.
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Reply #69 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:39pm

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

I am sure PNG needs more people to feed.

Not to worry. Muslims being Muslims they'll soon have a highly profitable industry in drug farming, production, and smuggling to New Zealand and Australia.

They'll soon have poppy-fields and marijuana plantations growing in the inaccessible parts of the New Guinea Highlands ~ (Owen Stanley Range, etc).

It's going to be mighty interesting to see how PNG applies its newly-introduced death penalties when the Muslims start their raping, murdering, and robbery.

Yes ~ rape and robbery attract the death sentence.

Any executions and it will all be Rudd's fault...

Rudd the Hangman

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Reply #70 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:42pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

cods wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

I am sure PNG needs more people to feed.

Not to worry. Muslims being Muslims they'll soon have a highly profitable industry in drug farming, production, and smuggling to New Zealand and Australia.

They'll soon have poppy-fields and marijuana plantations growing in the inaccessible parts of the New Guinea Highlands ~ (Owen Stanley Range, etc).

It's going to be mighty interesting to see how PNG applies its newly-introduced death penalties when the Muslims start their raping, murdering, and robbery.

Yes ~ rape and robbery attract the death sentence.

Any executions and it will all be Rudd's fault...

Rudd the Hangman

You do realise that the Libs have come out in support of the policy

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout Reply #71 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:42pm MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:37pm: Carl D wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:36am: Double post. Sorry. My original post from 15 minutes ago magically appeared when I posted it again just now. That seems to happen when we start a new page. Rudd has certainly started a new page in Australia's Refugees policy.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout Reply #72 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:45pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:42pm: You do realise that the Libs have come out in support of the policy What Libs? Rudd has out-Libbed Abbott by a mile. Rudd's latest policy decision has put Abbott's Liberal Party way to the Left of the Rudd government.
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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #73 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 4:15pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

You do realise that the Libs have come out in support of the policy

What Libs?

Rudd has out-Libbed Abbott by a mile. Rudd's latest policy decision has put Abbott's Liberal Party way to the Left of the Rudd government.

Herbie is a good little rightard, he wants the refuges to drown at sea like cods and phoney tony.

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Re: How Do You Rate Labor's Sellout
Reply #74 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:11pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:42am:

Poll: How do you rate Kevin Rudd's decision to relocate all asylum seekers who arrive by boat to Papua New Guinea, and resettle them there if they are found to be genuine refugees?

A sensible solution to a difficult problem
44%
Passing the buck to a poorer country doesn't seem quite right
21%
A disgrace - it shirks Australia's moral, if not legal, obligations
35%

Total votes: 25283.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-to-send-...

Good to see Australia isn't quite the moral vacuum others outside of may see us as.

Good on you people who still seeing refugees as people fleeing persecution.

I give it two thumbs up. We don't want or need this filth in our country. What awaits them is the verdant countryside of beautiful PNG. A far cry from the sand sh!tholes that these people are fleeing after turning their own countries into war zones via ethnic, religious or tribal clashes. They are getting more than they deserve. Are they eleutheromaniacs or not.

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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

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