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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:19pm So you don't think the opening post substantiates the claims of banditry?
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Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:36pm

shockresist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Do you agree that Muhammed engaged in highway robbery to finance his political ambitions? (if I can google your answer please let me know)

Prophet Mohammed doesn't speak from his own desires, everything was revealed to him by his creator.

Mohammed wouldn't do a action contrary to islam, and I support whatever was revealed to him.

Was it gabriel or allah that gave revelations to Mo?
Could we say gabriel is the servant of Mohammad's imaginary friend in the sky called allah?
Why does allah need gabriel to give Mo his message,was he incapable of doing it?

So how many wives is a muslim allowed to have, why was Mo allowed to have more wives than any other muslim is that an example of his behaviour being contrary to Islam?
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The prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night,and he had 9 wives.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/67/6

Mohammad's highway robbery is documented in "Sirat rasul allah by Ibn Ishaq" which is the earliest biography of profit Mo.

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Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

So you don't think the opening post substantiates the claims of banditry?

Nope - unless you interpret "banditry" as a legitimate act of war to cut the supply lines of the enemy - which forbade the of killing women, children and the elderly and other non-combatants. I certainly don't interpret 'banditry' in that way.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #18 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:51pm So what war was going on at the time?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:02pm umm.. the war with the Meccans which they started? Is that a trick question?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:05pm When did that war start? Any idea why there is no mention of it in the wiki article on the caravan raids?
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Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

So you don't think the opening post substantiates the claims of banditry?

Nope - unless you interpret "banditry" as a legitimate act of war to cut the supply lines of the enemy - which forbade the of killing women, children and the elderly and other non-combatants. I certainly don't interpret 'banditry' in that way.

So robbing trade caravans is considered cutting supply lines of the enemy?

Abu claimed muslims were taking back their belongings!

From Sirat rasul allah by Ibn Ishaq-
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The apostle of allah heard that Abu Sufyan- whom he had missed at al-Ushayra- was returning from Syria with a large caravan of merchandise, accompanied by 30-40 men.
Then he addressed the muslims saying Go forth against this caravan:it may be that allah will grant you plunder

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy allows muslims to steal from non muslims, as long as allah gets his 20% of all war booty.
www.quran.com/8/41

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Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

[quote author=freediver link=1374276604/9#9 date=1374288164]Do you agree that Muhammed engaged in highway robbery to finance his political ambitions? (if I can google your answer please let me know)

Prophet Mohammed doesn't speak from his own desires, everything was revealed to him by his creator.

Mohammed wouldn't do a action contrary to islam, and I support whatever was revealed to him.

Was it gabriel or allah that gave revelations to Mo?
Could we say gabriel is the servant of Mohammad's imaginary friend in the sky called allah?
Why does allah need gabriel to give Mo his message,was he incapable of doing it?

So how many wives is a muslim allowed to have, why was Mo allowed to have more wives than any other muslim is that an example of his behaviour being contrary to Islam?
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The prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night,and he had 9 wives.

Mohammad's highway robbery is documented in "Sirat rasul allah by Ibn Ishaq" which is the earliest biography of profit Mo.

Both Gabriel and Allah spoke to Mohamed.

God also spoke directly to moses aswell.

That is Gods wisdom why sometimes he used angels to relay mesaages, other times he spoke directly to his prophets.He is God the most powerful and he can do what he pleases.

Previous prophets had many wives.Solomon had hundreds of wives.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:05pm: When did that war start? When the Meccans started persecuting them and kicked them out of Mecca.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:36pm You're not answering the question shocky. Are you trying to say that Muhammed broke Islamic law because Moses did?
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Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

When did that war start?

When the Meccans started persecuting them and kicked them out of Mecca.

What year was that?

Do you share Abu's belief that "the west" has been at war with the Muslim world for a century?

If a person persecutes a Muslim, does that mean they are at war with the muslim forever more - until the Muslim is satisfied he has had revenge? And in that time "anything goes" because in the Muslim's mind they are at war, regardless of whether they are actually at war?

How pervasive is this "always at war" mentality in Islam?

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shockresist Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 151 sydney Gender:	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:41pm freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:36pm: You're not answering the question shocky. Are you trying to say that Muhammed broke Islamic law because Moses did? I mentioned moses in the context of communication between God and his prophets. You seriously need to put some glasses on.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed the thief Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:45pm My apologies. It was Solomon who you offered as an excuse for Muhammed breaking Islamic law. Can you explain how that justifies it?
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Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:04pm

The Muslims were simply taking their own possessions back.

The pagans of Mecca had kicked the Muslims out of the city and stolen all their possessions.

When the Muslims learnt that the pagans of Mecca were sending a caravan of their belongings off to sell in the north, they decided to reclaim their belongings.

When Jews try to regain property stolen from them by Nazis, are the Jews stealing? They are still doing this 70 years later.

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Reply #29 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:11pm

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When Jews try to regain property stolen from them by Nazis, are the Jews stealing? They are still doing this 70 years later.

Yet another example of incomprehensible moral equivalence from Muslims.

If the Jews started holding up the autobahn at gunpoint and stealing cars, they could not justify this by citing the holocaust. Apparently common sense does not apply to Muhammed.

Do you have any evidence that it was their property they were "stealing back"?

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No. Nazis stole stuff fair and square 0 (0.0%) No. It seems too Islamic 0 (0.0%) Yes. People have a right to compensation 5 (83.3%) No. Jews should let bygones be bygones 1 (16.7%) No. People should be free to persecute minorities 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 6 « Last Modified by: True Colours on: Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 4:05pm »