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Re: Muhammed the thief
Reply #60 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 1:03pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:27pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 1:36pm:
shockresist wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 12:52pm:
[quote author=freediver link=1374276604/9#9 date=1374288164]Do you agree that Muhammed engaged in highway robbery to finance his political ambitions? (if I can google your answer please let me know)


Prophet Mohammed doesn't speak from his own desires, everything was revealed to him by his creator.

Mohammed wouldn't do a action contrary to islam, and I support whatever was revealed to him.



Was it gabriel or allah that gave revelations to Mo?
Could we say gabriel is the servant of Mohammad's imaginary friend in the sky called allah?
Why does allah need gabriel to give Mo his message,was he incapable of doing it?

So how many wives is a muslim allowed to have, why was Mo allowed to have more wives than any other muslim is that an example of his behaviour being contrary to Islam?
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The prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night,and he had 9 wives.

Mohammad's highway robbery is documented in "Sirat rasul allah by Ibn Ishaq" which is the earliest biography of profit Mo.


Both Gabriel and Allah spoke to Mohamed.

God also spoke directly to moses aswell.

That is Gods wisdom why sometimes he used angels to relay mesaages, other times he spoke directly to his prophets.He is God the most powerful and he can do what he pleases.

Previous prophets had many wives.Solomon had hundreds of wives.







shockresist,

Both King David and King Solomon had numerous wives and concubines.

It is there, plain as day, recorded in the Old Testament.

Both King David and King Solomon disobeyed God's law [the laws given to Moses], and consequently, Mohammed too, disobeyed the law given to Moses.

It is there, plain as day, recorded in the Old Testament.


cited here....
difference between wives and sex slaves
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1330815631/23#23
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God's law specifically prohibited prophets and kings from taking many wives.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Muhammed the thief
Reply #61 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 1:03pm:
Both King David and King Solomon disobeyed God's law...





Prophets disobey God's law? Don't you think that is bizarre? Do you really believe that God's mightiest prophets broke God's law? What kind of example would that be?


You didn't mention Abraham. He was also a polygynist.
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Reply #62 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 7:48pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 6:50pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 1:03pm:
Both King David and King Solomon disobeyed God's law...





Prophets disobey God's law? Don't you think that is bizarre? Do you really believe that God's mightiest prophets broke God's law?



It is very difficult for moslems to accept the truth
, when truth does not align with their idealogical views - can you concede that TC ?





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What kind of example would that be?


It was the 'example' to us, that King David and King Solomon experienced the human condition, of being corrupted by this world.

2 Samuel 11
2 Samuel 12

Why is that truth so difficult for you to accept/acknowledge ?

Why can't you accept that you too, are a corrupted soul, who needs to humble yourself before God ?







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You didn't mention Abraham. He was also a polygynist.


No i didn't.


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Reply #63 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 8:23pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 7:48pm:
...King David and King Solomon experienced the human condition, of being corrupted by this world.



How does someone who claims to believe in God, say that God would send corrupted men to guide mankind?

Do you rally believe that God would send 'corrupt' prophets? What would be the point?

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Reply #64 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 9:10pm
 
True Colours wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 8:23pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 7:48pm:
...King David and King Solomon experienced the human condition, of being corrupted by this world.



How does someone who claims to believe in God, say that God would send corrupted men to guide mankind?

Do you rally believe that God would send 'corrupt' prophets?

What would be the point?




Quite simply.....

1 Corinthians 10:6
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7  Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8  Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9  Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10  Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


Scripture reveals that King David and King Solomon were un-intending idolaters.






True_Colours,


I said;

...King David and King Solomon experienced the human condition, of being corrupted by this world.

That is what scripture declares.

I stand by what i said.

My faith in God, is not weakened by what is true.

Truth underpins my absolute faith in my God.




read what i said here....

Eradicating dualism
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365644836/15#15

Religion: A 21stC anachronism or mans salvation?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303676733/207#207






You asked.....
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Do you rally believe that God would send 'corrupt' prophets?


God did not send corrupt prophets.

Scripture reveals to us, that God co-opted ordinary men, to represent his ideals, here in this world.

We call those men prophets.


Sometimes it worked [.....quite well].

Sometimes those men were corrupted by this world - NOT by God.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #65 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 6:41pm
 
It looks to me like Muhammed spent the better part of a decade robbing caravans. Was this always in the context of an ongoing war?
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Reply #66 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 6:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 6:41pm:
It looks to me like Muhammed spent the better part of a decade robbing caravans.


Mohammad was thief, only a delusional muslim could deny the evidence.

When you look at the list of expeditions by Mohammad it has the caravan highway robberies,Mohammads order and reason for this highway robbery was to relieve the muslims from poverty
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

Selling captured women and children into slavery was also very profitable for muslims, as long as Mo and Allah got a 20%  cut it was halal.
Allah even says he gets 20% of all war booty in the Quran.
www.quran.com/8/41

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #67 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 7:06pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Mohammad was thief, only a delusional muslim could deny the evidence.


Well he robbed caravans, by definition he is a "thief" I guess.

You've made a couple of astounding observations today Baron - Muhammad was a "warlord" and a "thief". Well of course he was - by its very definition.

The question is, is theft of wealth possessed by the people bent on destroying you immoral? I would say clearly not - considering that wealth will only be used to fund the war against you.
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Reply #68 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
Well he robbed caravans, by definition he is a "thief" I guess.


Grin Grin Grin

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The question is, is theft of wealth possessed by the people bent on destroying you immoral? I would say clearly not - considering that wealth will only be used to fund the war against you.


So they were bent on destroying him, but ignored him for ten years while he robbed their caravans?
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Reply #69 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:06pm
 
Seizing property from an enemy in times of war is not theft - especially when the enemy seized property from you in the first place.


If we want to examine the notion of government thievery, perhaps we should ask ourselves why the US has seized the assets of countries like Iran or Cuba.

Was it theft when the US seized Japanese assets in 1941 - 5 months prior to the Bombing of Pearl Harbour?

Why has the US stolen $250 million from Cuba?

Why has the US stolen $12 billion of Iranian assets?
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Reply #70 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:39pm:
So they were bent on destroying him, but ignored him for ten years while he robbed their caravans?


10 years?  Grin

Stop embarassing yourself FD.
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Reply #71 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:18pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:39pm:
So they were bent on destroying him, but ignored him for ten years while he robbed their caravans?


10 years?  Grin

Stop embarassing yourself FD.


Facts re not important to Freediver - only whatever unsubstantiated or disproven claims that suit his agenda.
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Reply #72 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 12:46pm
 
So how long was Muhammed's career as a caravan robber? I couldn't find the dates for the first or last ones, but I did see dates in the wikipedia article spanning at least 6 years.
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Reply #73 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 1:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:39pm:
ignored him for ten years


The caravan raids started in 423, the battle of Badr - where the Meccans retaliated and attempted to overrun Medina for the first time - was in 424. Not exactly "ignoring him for ten years" is it?

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Reply #74 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 8:05pm
 
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The caravan raids started in 423


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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:39pm:
So they were bent on destroying him, but ignored him for ten years while he robbed their caravans?


10 years?  Grin

Stop embarassing yourself FD.


Gandalf, Baron's link has Muhammed's last raid in 632, the year of his death. I was one year out, you were 200. So who should be embarrassed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

Basically, Muhammed spent the last 10 years of his life robbing people, slaughtering people, accumulating wives etc. He made no apparent attempt to lift standards. This is what the link has to say about the last outing:

100      Expedition of Usama bin Zayd      May 632 [327]      Invade Palestine and attack Moab and Darum[328]      
Local population "slaughtered" by Muslims, "destroying, burning and taking as many captives as they could"[328]
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