The issue here is that Rudd’s just stopped the boats.

You’re right - Rudd abandoning Howard’s policies saw the death of just over 800 people.

Prior to the Pacific Solution, Howard saw just over 900 deaths - not his fault, but his policy saw the end to to the boats and the deaths.

No PM is to blame for the death of boat people trying to come to Australia, but they carry some responsibility if they do nothing about it.

In many ways, Abbott and Milne hold this for opposing Gillard’s Malaysian solution for mere political reasons.

And yes, I blame Milne for offering no solution that I’ve heard of, but protesting against every idea proposed.

But this is now water under the bridge. The problem has now been solved, and whichever party gets in will continue with this solution.

This IS the issue, Maqqa, and you know it.

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None, why should he?  Did he personally force anyone of the four blokes who died into roof cavities with metal staplers to fix bats to ceilings which everyone knows has tricity wires running randomly around.  What sort of irresponsible and/or dumb idiot would fire a metal stapler into a live wire he knew was likely to be there?  Rudd has expressed regret for the deaths but he has quite properly not conceded responsibility.  You cannot legislate against dumb.

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None and why should he.  He did not personally load them onto leaky non seaworthy vessels and order them onto the high seas.  They made that decision all for themselves.  You cannot legislate against desperate and dumb.

What he has now done is take away the pot at the end of the rainbow.  Now, if desperate and dumb want to pay Achmed the Smuggler for a pleasant sea voyage, the destination will not be Australia, but beautiful tropical/equitorial Manus Paradise.  What's yer problem with that?

If after they have become fully fledged Papuans with PNG citizenship and they want to come to Australia, they won't have to get on any leaky and unseaworthy boat.  They can rock up to our Embassy in Port Morseby and apply for orderly, controlled immigration.

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:


Yeah....if you like, (ignoring the fact that he has not been PM for many years) but he was not load master for any vessel, and he will not be load master for any from yesterday on, either.

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:


All of the above, if you like, because ultimately, I don't really care.  We all wanted to 'stop the boats/people putting their lives at risk' and this very effective bit of pragmatism on the part of the recently endorsed PM is a step in that direction.  What is your problem with that?

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Yea, he has surprised us all. In particular he's surprised Abbott, he's caught the basher with his budgie smugglers down.
Look this is all worth it even if Kevvy loses, I can not begin to explain how smacking funny it is to see the likes of maqqa longy and co go into total meltdown on Rudd smacking Abbott over.

Datalife wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:


None, why should he?  Did he personally force anyone of the four blokes who died into roof cavities with metal staplers to fix bats to ceilings which everyone knows has tricity wires running randomly around.  What sort of irresponsible and/or dumb idiot would fire a metal stapler into a live wire he knew was likely to be there?  Rudd has expressed regret for the deaths but he has quite properly not conceded responsibility.  You cannot legislate against dumb. Quote:


What letter?