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Re: Moral voters
Reply #30 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Moral voters Reply #31 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:06pm Where did these warnings come from? It's already on the public record that the Labor Government was repeatedly warned by the Unions about the dangers of blow ins. Garrett was the one who had to carry the can, because he was the minister and the media wanted blood.
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Re: Moral voters
Reply #32 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:07pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

Oh, okay, if that is all you want. Yep, I voted ALP in 2007 and so did the vast majority of Australians. But the goal posts move in this refugee issue, and it took a pragmatic Rudd to adjust his game to match.

Now, what is your problem with that?

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Re: Moral voters
Reply #33 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:08pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

The reality is that Howard's solution would not have worked forever.

Further a majority of Australians wanted asylum seekers processed onshore. Rudd was given a clear mandate to stop offshore processing.

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Re: Moral voters
Reply #34 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:10pm

ALP immigration minister 2008
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Labor committed to abolishing the Pacific Solution and this was one the first things the Rudd Labor Government did on taking office. It was also one of my greatest pleasures in politics. Neither humane nor fair, the Pacific Solution was also ineffective and wasteful.

At massive cost to the Australian taxpayer – I am advised that the Department of Immigration and Citizenship expended $309.8 million between September 2001 and 29 February 2008 to run the Nauru and Manus Offshore Processing Centres (OPCs) – the Howard government sought to outsource our international protection obligations to less developed countries when we should have been shouldering them ourselves…

The Pacific Solution was not about maintaining integrity or public confidence in Australia’s arrangements. It was about the cynical politics of punishing refugees for domestic political purposes.

That $309M over 7 years looks like a bargain now, doesn't it.

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Reply #35 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:11pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

The reality is that Howard's solution would not have worked forever.

But it was working

Last but not least - a policy not lasting forever is way better than a Labor policy not working EVER!!!

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Reply #36 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:13pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

Oh, okay, if that is all you want. Yep, I voted ALP in 2007 and so did the vast majority of Australians. But the goal posts move in this refugee issue, and it took a pragmatic Rudd to adjust his game to match.

Now, what is your problem with that?

Rudd won 53/47 - not a "vast majority" even by your limited imagination

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Reply #37 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

The reality is that Howard's solution would not have worked forever.

But it was working

Last but not least - a policy not lasting forever is way better than a Labor policy not working EVER!!!

And circumstances change.

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Reply #38 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

there's going to be a of lot skid marks in the righties underwear over the next few days .... Grin

, they are just crapping themselves now.

Every time Kevin O'Heaven trumps Tony the neo cons go into fits of panic Grin

Its hilarious to watch Grin

Not as hilarious as watching those who were slagging KRudd not too long ago now believe he has the election in the bag because he finally got one policy right, and that hasn't been implemented as yet.

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Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:16pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

The reality is that Howard's solution would not have worked forever.

But it was working

Last but not least - a policy not lasting forever is way better than a Labor policy not working EVER!!!

Ancient history. Live in the past if you want but 'tis time to move on, and pragmatic Rudd is doing that. What is your problem with Rudd's proposal? Why won't it 'stop the boats?'

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Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:18pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

there's going to be a of lot skid marks in the righties underwear over the next few days .... Grin

, they are just crapping themselves now.

Every time Kevin O'Heaven trumps Tony the neo cons go into fits of panic Grin

Its hilarious to watch Grin

Not as hilarious as watching those who were slagging KRudd not too long ago now believe he has the election in the bag because he finally got one policy right, and that hasn't been implemented as yet.

Where have you been living in the last 24 hours? The deal is done. All boaties go to Manus Paradise as of yesterday.

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Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

there's going to be a of lot skid marks in the righties underwear over the next few days .... Grin

, they are just crapping themselves now.

Every time Kevin O'Heaven trumps Tony the neo cons go into fits of panic Grin

Its hilarious to watch Grin

Not as hilarious as watching those who were slagging KRudd not too long ago now believe he has the election in the bag because he finally got one policy right, and that hasn't been implemented as yet.

Where have you been living in the last 24 hours? The deal is done. All boaties go to Manus Paradise as of yesterday.

I remember Gillard signing the Malaysian Solution deal as well - 50,000 illegals later

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Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

My problem is with who started the boats because that was the precursor to every dollar wasted and every person dead.

That responsibility lies with who authorised the relaxation of the previous working policies. Unless that is recognised, there is every chance that history will repeat itself.

That'd be the voters of Australia who elected Rudd's ALP in 2007.

Whatever......it is now over.....the boats will stop, and kids will not drown.

What is your problem with that?

What's your problem with accepting responsibility for bad policy?

The reality is that Howard's solution would not have worked forever.

But it was working

Last but not least - a policy not lasting forever is way better than a Labor policy not working EVER!!!

Ancient history. Live in the past if you want but 'tis time to move on, and pragmatic Rudd is doing that. What is your problem with Rudd's proposal? Why won't it 'stop the boats?'

If the past is ancient history and we should adopt the "time to move on" then you have no basis for your assessments at all

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Reply #43 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

there's going to be a of lot skid marks in the righties underwear over the next few days .... Grin

, they are just crapping themselves now.

Every time Kevin O'Heaven trumps Tony the neo cons go into fits of panic Grin

Its hilarious to watch Grin

Not as hilarious as watching those who were slagging KRudd not too long ago now believe he has the election in the bag because he finally got one policy right, and that hasn't been implemented as yet.

Where have you been living in the last 24 hours? The deal is done. All boaties go to Manus Paradise as of yesterday.

And how many have arrived?
Mmmmmm, none.
Apart from Rudd speaking, and paper being signed, lefties wailing, what else has occurred.
Mmmmmm, nothing.
As I said, not yet implemented.
Labors policy is yet to be tested.

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Reply #44 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:33pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

there's going to be a of lot skid marks in the righties underwear over the next few days .... Grin

, they are just crapping themselves now.

Every time Kevin O'Heaven trumps Tony the neo cons go into fits of panic Grin

Its hilarious to watch Grin

Not as hilarious as watching those who were slagging KRudd not too long ago now believe he has the election in the bag because he finally got one policy right, and that hasn't been implemented as yet.

I’m that guy. That’s my prediction, and I’m sticking with it until I hear a big positive for Abbott.

To me, it looks like Rudd’s changed big time. He’s more focussed, direct and swifter than before. Much of his Ruddbot, bureaucratic-speak has been replaced with clear, precise talking.

And much of it’s making sense.

His announcement yesterday was all these things, and it captured some of the bigger issues in this problem - we’re in the middle of one of the biggest migration booms in human history. Something needs to be done now, and it has.

Rudd looks like he’s fighting for his life, and this is why I’m calling the election in his favour.

Voters want a fighter, and they love a comeback story. Rudd, remember, is still the underdog.

He has, in my humble view, got this one in the bag.

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